1993 D double die

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Blindbowman, Nov 19, 2011.

  1. Blindbowman

    Blindbowman New Member

    hello

    i am not a coin collector and i really dont have time to become one ... i found a odd coin and i would like to know more about it .
    it is a 1993 D double die with a ring pressed into the face of the coin . i really can not explain this coin in detail .. look at the coin and you can see why ...

    i dont know what to even call it..

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  3. avr5700

    avr5700 Member

    I'm sure others will correct me if need be, but when a coin stands out because it looks like it's just gone nine rounds with an ear biter, well, that's pretty much what happened...
  4. bonbonbelly

    bonbonbelly Feel MS68 Look AG3

    Hi Blindbowman and welcome to CT.

    Your coin looks like it was damaged in a coin wrapping machine. Sometimes the end coin gets really mangled when the wrapping fingers crimp the end of a paper coin tube closed. I see a lot of these searching through rolls.
  5. Blindbowman

    Blindbowman New Member

    if you look close the damge to the coin was made at the mint . i have added some more pictures of this penny , note the AM touch like the 1992 D , note the ib of liberty is unreadable and the dates is as well . the coin is just as it was when i found it . it has not been cleaned . i have never seen a coin like this before . i hope some one can tell me more about it ...i dont know if it should be called a double Die or triple die ...

    so i am calling it a 1993 triple D , Dever double die .. as i said i dont know a lot about coins but i know i have never seen one like this ...

    this coin came from the mint this way the ...

    can a coin wrapping machine make the penny thinner then a normal penny ..? i have worked with coin machines before and i am a avation machinist i dont think it was done after it left the mint . this is clearly made this way at the mint ..

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  6. Blindbowman

    Blindbowman New Member

    if you look close , the letter b is not on the surface of the coin at all . this is not damage to the coin the letter is not on the coin at all...i would beleive you could have been right if the ring that was pressed into the coin face did not press the surface of the coin into the coin if it was damage from a coin machine the whole coin would show the same damage . thats clearly not the case here ..

    you can make out the edges of the double die but when you look close it looks like the coin was struck 3 times the coin is .012 thousands thinner then normal ,.note the letters on the back are smoother and flater then normal . this coin has been struck 2 or 3 times , as i said i am not a collector of pennies ,,

    but i am sure the mint could conferm it was struck more then once if not 3 times ..

    i know its a odd coin .. its not for sale and i dont need money so i just wanted to see what others think of it ...
  7. Blindbowman

    Blindbowman New Member

    if you look close , the letter b is not on the surface of the coin at all . this is not damage to the coin the letter is not on the coin at all...i would beleive you could have been right if the ring that was pressed into the coin face did not press the surface of the coin into the coin if it was damage from a coin machine the whole coin would show the same damage . thats clearly not the case here ..<br><br>you can make out the edges of the double die&nbsp; but when you look close it looks like the coin was struck 3 times&nbsp; the coin is .012 thousands thinner then normal ,.note the letters on the back are smoother and flater then normal . this coin has been struck 2 or 3 times , as i said i am not a collector of pennies ,,<br><br>but i am sure the mint could conferm it was struck more then once if not 3 times ..<br><br>&nbsp;i know its a odd coin .. its not for sale and i dont need money so i just wanted to see what others think of it ...<br><br>

    to be honest with you i thaught the same thing at first , but after you take a good look you realize this damage took place when the coin was minted ...if it was not a 1993 D i would not have even given it a second look ...

    has anyone ever seen a penny with this type of ring on it before coming from the mint ?

    and what would cause it ..?

    if this was damage from a coin machine , why is there no damage to the edge or back of the coin?

    in fact the back is near mint condition , there is no damage to the edge of the coin at all , the copper color is all the way around the edge . only the face of the coin shows the damage . but both sides show some double die marks .....or signs of being struck twice or more times ...
  8. Blindbowman

    Blindbowman New Member

    <br><br>if you look close , the letter b is not on the surface of the coin at all . this is not damage to the coin the letter is not on the coin at all...i would beleive you could have been right if the ring that was pressed into the coin face did not press the surface of the coin into the coin if it was damage from a coin machine the whole coin would show the same damage . thats clearly not the case here ..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;you can make out the edges of the double die&amp;nbsp; but when you look close it looks like the coin was struck 3 times&amp;nbsp; the coin is .012 thousands thinner then normal ,.note the letters on the back are smoother and flater then normal . this coin has been struck 2 or 3 times , as i said i am not a collector of pennies ,,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;but i am sure the mint could conferm it was struck more then once if not 3 times ..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;i know its a odd coin .. its not for sale and i dont need money so i just wanted to see what others think of it ...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;<br><br>to be honest with you i thaught the same thing at first , but after you take a good look you realize this damage took place when the coin was minted ...if it was not a 1993 D i would not have even given it a second look ...<br><br>has anyone ever seen a penny with this type of ring on it before&nbsp; coming from the mint ?<br><br>and what would cause it ..?
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Coin Collector Supporter

    Looks like PMD to me.
  10. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector

    Coin wrapping damage. PMD. Nothing more.
  11. Blindbowman

    Blindbowman New Member

    i a agree at first sight it dose in fact look like normal ware , but its not and when you look close at the coin you can see it is done when the coin was minted , thats what makes this coin interesting ...
    under a loop the B is not on the coin and never was . the surface where the B should have been is un touched by the press, fact the B never was printed on the coin it self .. that means this damage is from the mint not after ...the date reflects the same damage , i hope to have the Dever mint look at this coin and conferm the damage is from the casting of the mint . if you take in too acount the thickness of the coin and the damage this coin stayed in the mold with the back of coin in the mold was struck 2 or 3 times on the face of the coin and then released . under those conditions this coin would look just like it dose right now ...and do not get me wrong i have seen 100's of thouasands of coins and i do collect silver and gold .. but thats not the issue here ...

    i am not asking if the coin is a double die or not . i am asking what to call it and has there ever been a coin stuck like this ,what could cause the damage in the mint that would make a coin come out like this ...?

    if you see the coin up close you tell with out a dout what so ever the coin was minted like this ...if the whole coin had showed even ware i would not have gave it a second thaught at all ...there is a few interesting odd facts . look at the bottom of the coin between the bus and edge . you can see the double die marks as well as at the bottom on the back side of the coin .. now look at the outer rim face . it shows damage 3/4 of the way around the coin but not at the bottom of the coin and under the date ..that edge is un touched ...now look at the two marks that are bare metal zink on both sides of the face of the coin ...they are deeper down from the surface of the coin then other pionts on the coin ..these are clearly mint press points . i have worked with 10 and 20 ton presses and i think i can prove this damage was done at the mint when the coin was struck ...i hope to weight the coin today and see if the coin weight is correct at 2.52..

    i used a dail gage and the coin is thinner then a normal penny in the center of the coin where the damage had no baring on the reading ..micromeeter calipers dont lie..


    if you can explain why the coin is thinner in the center of the coin where the damage is not reflected in the reading . i would love to hear what could cause that kind of damage , how could anything make the coin thinner with out damgeing the back face of the coin ...?

    look again . the back face of the coin is near mint condition ...no real damage at all ...and the high points of the center of the coin face are un damaged ...and do not show the damage that was caused by the ring shape being pressed into the coin ,, it dont think any other object got into the press . i think this damage is from multi die stricks

    was it the 2sd or 3rd strick is the true question here ...and has there ever been another 1993 triple D like this that shows the same mint marks ...?

    it is easy to think you have found a great treasure or rare coin it is a lot more fun when you find one you were not looking for ...

    i have no problem having the mint define what this coin really is ....

    i think even the chance of this being a 1993 D double die makes it very interesting in the condition it is in now ...


    i will let the coin speak for it self .. thanks for the input ...

    i had this coin in my pocket for over a week and never knew it was there . it came from one of the local shops i dont even know wich one .. i was trying to get my keys out of my pocket and coins kept falling out so i wanted to take the coins out and move them to another pocket or i would have never seen it .. when i look down it was face up if it had been face down i would have never seen it ....

    how many rare coins pass us in our life times and we never notice them at all ...

    yes, i do beleive this is a exstreamly rare 1993 D double die with a halo mint mark....maybe the only one ever known to exist ...i am not a poor man and i dont ever plain to be rich . i just found a odd looking coin ...how many hands has it pass threw , i dont know ,i wonder and smile ...
  12. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    It always amazes me... a non collector starts a thread about what he thinks is an error coin, then, after he is told his coin is post mint damage, tries to explain exactly how the coin was struck to produce such an error. Please... your coin is PMD, nothing else. Don't be insulted, just be accepting of the fact.
  13. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector

    The coin spoke..... post mint damage.
  14. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    Then you say you collect silver and gold and have seen "100's of thousands of coins". Make up your mind. And stop being so silly with your explanation of your non-error.
  15. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    But... we will NEVER convince the OP of that, LOL.
  16. Blindbowman

    Blindbowman New Member

    you got me confused with someone who cares .. lol

    i buy and sell estates ,, i really dont have time to debate your fetishes ... good luck , i can throw the coin out the window and careless if it rots away to nothing , i have done a lot of metal detecting and worked in a gaming pinball hall where i seen more coins in a week then most of you will ever see in a life time .. lol i buy silver i really dont care if its a coin or not . i have the coins melted i dont collect them as coins ...sorry not amused ....

    good luck latter ...
  17. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    Oh boy... I'm so impressed.
  18. MercuryDime

    MercuryDime New Member

    I just read this thread and to all of you for telling her she dosent knowmwhatnshenis doing and that she is a newbie are wrong! You should nevmjudge somebody online! I know it is Post-mint-damage; but if she wants to let her opinion on what the coin is than you should he haPpy to inform her otherwise!!!!
  19. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector

  20. ldhair

    ldhair Coin Collector Supporter

    It is an interesting coin. I feel sure the damage did not happen in the minting process. Maybe a coin counter at the mint if they were using them in 1993. Maybe a counter/roller after it left the mint. Still PMD. From these images, I'm not seeing anything that looks like a doubled die or a coin that was double struck. I'm not seeing a reverse image. Maybe it was posted.

    I'm thinking I could make something like this with a washer and a c-clamp. As the washer turns it could move the metal to look much like this. There are many ways this damage could have been caused.

    If someone knows of a mint process that could cause this, please post it.
  21. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Don't hold your breath.

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