1794 Spanish 8 reales with strange marks

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by 93stang, Jul 16, 2012.

  1. 93stang

    93stang Member

    I bought this coin a while back with curiosity about all of these little markings. In the middle of all these markings there are two Swastikas. It has been cleaned but still very curious. Thanks. 2012-07-01_22-58-17_131-1-1.jpg 2012-07-15_23-12-10_560-1.jpg
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  3. beachbum99

    beachbum99 New Member

    Chop marks ftom merchants?

    I dunno.
  4. jhinton

    jhinton Active Member

    Those are indeed chopmarks. When a merchant deemed the coin to be accurate i.e. the correct weight and finess, then the said merchant would stamp the coin with his mark. Coins with a lot of marks such as yours have a lot of history due to the fact that they were used by a lot of different merchants. Some of the chopmarks can even be traced to specific merchants and locations allowing a collector to trace where his coin has been in the past!

    The swastikas that you see were just another chopmark. The swastika symbol has been used for hundreds of years before it was used as a symbol of hate.
  5. pairunoyd

    pairunoyd Junior Member

    this is so cool. Ive never heard of chop marks.

    The coins portrait looks like a devil after the wear.
  6. 93stang

    93stang Member

    Thanks. Do they add any value? Or just history?
  7. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector

    Mostly just history, but like with anything else, I'm sure there are "chopmark" collectors around who would pay a premium for something like this.
  8. 93stang

    93stang Member

    Ok Thanks
  9. jhinton

    jhinton Active Member

    ikandiggit is correct. The majority of collectors view chopmarks as damage but there are some who actively collect chopmarked coins. If you tried to sell this coin on ebay, you would get a little more than the silver value for it. I think they are neat especially ones like yours with lots of different marks plainly visible. A lot of the time the marks are worn due to use and past cleanings making them unidentifiable.
  10. 93stang

    93stang Member

    What would you pay for something like this. Just asking
  11. JCB1983

    JCB1983 Learning

    what a fascinating looking coin.
  12. medoraman

    medoraman Well-Known Member Supporter

    Thousands of years more like it. The swastika is one of the human race's earliest, most revered symbol for millenia before some psychopathic murdered took a liking to it. I have coins from 300BC, 250AD, 750AD all with swastikas in the design. Even in the 1920's a popular good luck charm produced in the US had a very prominent swastika along with horse shoe, four leaf clover, and other symbols of good fortune.
  13. jhinton

    jhinton Active Member

    Are you wanting to know a value or wanting to sell it? If you want to sell it, send me a PM as I would be interested. as far as value just search ebay under completed auctions.
  14. jhinton

    jhinton Active Member

    I thought it might have been thousands, but I knew it was at least hundreds...
  15. medoraman

    medoraman Well-Known Member Supporter

    Its all good man, we just have different collecting perspectives. :) I just know this since I have examples of these in my collections.
  16. jhinton

    jhinton Active Member

  17. jhinton

    jhinton Active Member

    Also, here is one of mine without chop marks. This one is also a Charles (Carolus) IIII, however mine was minted in Bolivia and yours was minted in Mexico.

    1808PTS PJ Bolivia 8 Reales Charles 4 NGC AU58 Obverse.jpg 1808PTS PJ Bolivia 8 Reales Charles 4 NGC AU58 Reverse.jpg

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