Thread: 1672 Klippe 25 Stuivers Siege Coinage

What do you guys think of this as a purchase?

		Type Date Service Grade Description Price Netherlands/Groningen 1672 Klippe 25 Stuivers Siege Coinage NGC AU58 Rare quality, light gold and olive toning. $895

Would be too expensive for my budget, but it is an interesting issue. If you want to spend less (12½ stuiver klippe, lower grade), look here: http://www.ma-shops.com/nsw-leipzig/item.php5?id=739 And here is an auction from five years ago http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=97333 with some info about the background ...

Christian

It is a nice coin Amanda and an interesting piece. It is however not particularly scarce and I would say it is over-priced to say the least. It is also over-graded, which is why the price is what it is. Honestly, I would grade that at high VF.

And just so you know, that 12/12 that Christian linked to that sold for about $300 5 years ago, they still sell for about $300 today.

I like it. Have you seen the Dutch jetons of the same period. Very entertaining.

Originally Posted by GDJMSP

It is a nice coin Amanda and an interesting piece. It is however not particularly scarce and I would say it is over-priced to say the least. It is also over-graded, which is why the price is what it is. Honestly, I would grade that at high VF.

And just so you know, that 12/12 that Christian linked to that sold for about $300 5 years ago, they still sell for about $300 today.

Interesting. It is in an NCG slab. AU58 is a long way to VF.

Originally Posted by chrisild

Would be too expensive for my budget, but it is an interesting issue. If you want to spend less (12½ stuiver klippe, lower grade), look here: http://www.ma-shops.com/nsw-leipzig/item.php5?id=739 And here is an auction from five years ago http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=97333 with some info about the background ...

Christian

I would really like to find something minted at the Amsterdam Munt near the Sigal.

Originally Posted by Ripley

I like it. Have you seen the Dutch jetons of the same period. Very entertaining.

Hello

Yes - I've seen those. I'm actually looking for something rather specific that rflects my area of studies and career.

Amanda

I love klippes! Siege coinage is historically fascinating, too.

Hey, areich- nice to see you again. I am really looking forward to our "fossils for Greek coins" trade over on the FORVM site. (Shipped your fossils the other day.) I only just started posting here, though I joined in 2007. Most of my time has been spent on Collectors Universe.

This is my only klippe. It is one of my favorites on my trademark "Holey Coin Vest". I love the little boy with the stick horse- what a whimsical design!

I think I'm not that many

How about this one? Also over priced?

		Type Date Service Grade Description Price Netherlands/Holland 1611 Lion Daalder Dav-4858 NGC VF30 A nice example of this popular type known as the dog or lion dollar, which saw circulation in the early North American colonies. These pieces are often weakly struck or show corrosion, due to the low-grade silver used for planchets. $369

I don't see any American based dealers on these kinds of coins.

Originally Posted by lordmarcovan

I love the little boy with the stick horse- what a whimsical design!

But that design makes a lot of sense. You may know that the Thirty Years War ended in 1648 (Westphalian Peace) but that various negotiations and treaties followed. Well, legend has it that, shortly before the Osnabrück agreement was signed, several boys appeared in front of the city hall, on their hobby horses, and that amused the delegations.

In Osnabrück, one of the two Westphalian Peace cities, they have an annual Steckenpferdreiten (hobby horse riding) parade, mostly with fourth graders. The first parade was in 1948, fairly shortly after WW2 and on the 300th anniversary of the 1648 peace.

Some of the negotiations that followed the basic peace agreement were in Nürnberg, in 1649-50. Now whether little boys approached Emperor Ferdinand's delegation or not ... hard to tell. But it seems they asked the delegation, particularly Piccolomini, for a peace souvenir, and were "awarded" such hobby horse klippes.

Christian

Mandy, I cannot tell whether that 1611 coin is overpriced or not (maybe Doug knows?) but it sure is a fine piece. But would that meet your criteria? It was minted a long time before the 1672 "rampjaar". Now the Dutch mint has this medal which commemorates the siege ...

Christian

Amanda, if that Lion dollar suits your purposes I would agree that it is fairly priced. It does however have some corrosion pitting and for me that would be enough to make me pass. They are not uncommon and problem free examples can be found with a little patience for about the same money.

And I must say, I am surprised, but quite pleased, to see that all too familiar top hat and vest It's been a long time !

Well, I can't seem to find a decent deal of these in America

Originally Posted by chrisild

Mandy, I cannot tell whether that 1611 coin is overpriced or not (maybe Doug knows?) but it sure is a fine piece. But would that meet your criteria? It was minted a long time before the 1672 "rampjaar". Now the Dutch mint has this medal which commemorates the siege ...

Christian

True, but I also wanted Gilder such as Rembrandt used to buy his home.