Your opinion as to WHY? HOW? it's cool anyway, Lincoln's lil brother?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Southernman189, Mar 7, 2022.

  1. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    1917 P cent.jpg 1917 P cent (2).jpg 1917 P edge (dark center is smaller coin).jpg 1917 P cent 17.7 mm.jpg 1917 P cent 0.70 in..jpg a coin that was given to me by my barber YEARS ago. He shrugged and said "Here you take it." Weight is 3.0 Grams
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    It was encased at some point.
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  4. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Interesting that it shrunk so much from being encased. Cool coin.
    Thanks for sharing it with us.
    Its got some good wear on the reverse where it buckled a little bit.
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  5. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    so you think it was a "normal size at one point? NAAAAAAA.... Ya Think?o_O I was thinking bored jeweler or something.
  6. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not...but was normal sized at one point.
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  7. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I think it's a casting of copper or bronze made from a mold of an original cent.

    There are porosities on both obverse and reverse. A casting made using a mold from the original coin will result in the product being slightly smaller than the original due to shrinkage of the molten metal as it cools. But the item is 1.3 mm smaller than the standard diameter of 19 mm, 6.8% smaller. Seems like too much given that molten copper shrinks about 5% upon cooling and solidifying. Also, the photos seem to show that all the devices are correspondingly smaller. The weight is about 3.5% lighter than standard, heavier than you might expect for a coin that's 6.8% smaller in diameter and that looks like it might also be the same thickness or possibly thinner than a standard cent. Far too light to be copper coated lead.

    Why or how somebody made a mold from an original cent and managed to reduce the diameter and the devices proportionately is beyond my feebleness. But it's also possible that the reduced coin is due solely to the solidification shrinkage of copper.
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  8. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter


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  9. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Oh jeeze, I didnt notice that. I was mainly looking at the ring around the edge which is indicative of encasing.
    Today was a long day. First full day back to work since my son was born...I should go to bed lol
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  10. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

  11. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    It must of been a David Blane or Chris Angel trick ya'all !! :rolleyes:
  12. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I thought about the electromagnetic coin shrinkers, but that doesn't look like a shrunken cent.

    I'm wondering if it was cast from some denser metal and then copper-plated, since it's apparently smaller in diameter, but the same approximate thickness and weight as a real cent....?
  13. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

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  14. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    No I was being very serious I never thought a copper cent could be shrunk down including the letters and busts. Wow I learned something NEW again! Thanks for the lesson.
  15. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I can't find the thread in the archives, but i recall, @Fred Weinberg posting a thread about purchasing shrunken coins and giving a brief, general explanation of it was done. They were post mint "mad science", not errors

    If you have the time, maybe you'll have better luck searching the archives. I believe his post was within the last 1-3 years
  16. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

  17. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    I don't know. I left change in my pocket once and when I had put on my protective gear and left my pants near some strange equipment, the magnetometer warning went off and I ended up with this:
    Worlds smalls coins  7-31-18 at 11.43 AM.jpg

    Please, no hate mail. LOL
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