You vs PCGS: What is the grade?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by FlipOfACoin, May 2, 2012.

  1. FlipOfACoin

    FlipOfACoin New Member

    Now is your chance to hone your grading skills against some of the supposed best in the industry. Lets see how close you get! I will post the answer tomorrow evening. Hint: I do not think the grade is quite correct. Good Luck!

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  3. Hunt1

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  4. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    64. Either it is seriously missing luster or it is your pictures.
     
  5. miedbe7

    miedbe7 Wayward Collector

  6. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    I'm in the 64FBL crowd.
     
  7. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    MS-64 FBL (although I wouldn't be surprised if they gave it a bump for the toning and graded it 65 FBL).
     
  8. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Am I the only one who thinks it's not FBL?
     
  9. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    65 FBL

    64 would astound me

    66 would not surprise me

    I guessed 65 and not 66 because of apparent muted luster (which could well simply be the technique used to bring out the color).

    Coin is VERY clean. If the luster were all there I could even see a 67.

    Color is all there. Very attractive toning. Bonus.

    Bell lines look full & complete too.

    That's a heck of a Franklin, regardless of grade.

    All of the above, IMO.
     
  10. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    By way of reference, here's a few 64s:

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    See the difference between these coins, and the one posted by the OP?
     
  11. coinmaniac14

    coinmaniac14 Member

    I'll guess 63-FBL (sorry to be a downer but it's the closest that wasn't already said and you implied it was either over or undergraded and it's the closest to what I think that hasn't already been guessed)
     
  12. redwin117

    redwin117 Junior Member



    ms61
     
  13. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    63 full bell--well struck.
     
  14. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I see one major difference - yours have nice luster.
     
  15. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    I'll throw caution to the winds and go with my first impression. MS67 FBL
     
  16. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm thinking it got a bump for the color. 65 FBL.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'm gonna guess they called it 66. I'm kind of torn on the FBL though. PCGS is often lenient with FBL, but I'm guessing on this one they did not give it.

    Me, I'd grade it a 64. The coin is not as clean as it looks at first glance. There are at least 8, what I would call, medium contact marks on the obv along with several small ones. Thereis also a small scratch. The rev is cleaner with only 2 medium marks and a few small ones. But because of the toning most of the marks do not readily stand out. I find the toning unattractive and the coin lacking in eye appeal.

    The obv also looks like it might have been wiped early in its life and later toned over.
     
  18. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I suspect that's simply the lighting used in the photo posted by the OP, but we shall see.....
     
  19. FlipOfACoin

    FlipOfACoin New Member

    The verdict... Drum roll please......

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    I agree that it probably got the bump from MS64 to MS65 because of the toning. The part I do not agree with is PCGS not awarding the FBL designation. I used my USB microscope and can't see any breaks in the bell lines. Should I crack it and resubmit?
     
  20. Hunt1

    Hunt1 Active Member

    Go for it, but get it in a secure plus :)
     
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