Wire coin...no identify...

Hello:hail:. I have a friend with this currency. We know that a Russian wire money, but we can not identify the period. Or the Czar. Does anyone can help me?. Thank you. "Siberian man" Are you here?
Since you know this language. Could you clarify something?

Than's for all.
:smile Daniel

 

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Siberian man would be the one to ask. Be patient, he'll be around soon.

 

Thanks, I'll wait.:thumb:

 

Silver Russian kopek. This coin was released at the last quarter of the XVIth century - first quarter of the XVIIth century. Weight - from 0,48 to 0,67 g.

 

Hello Siberian Man: Thank you. Years we had been discussing here. In our country there is not much knowledge on the subject. The last and not bother you more. This is mine. Miguel I Fedorovich1613-1645?. Maybe so. It's Right.

Thanks again. From of my friends and mine.:thumb:

 

Yes it is. It's a kopek of the tsar MICHAIL Fedorovich Romanov (not MIGUEL:smile).

 

Cool.:hail: I appreciate the correction. Are difficult for us. thanks again. Best regards.:thumb:

 

Note to self... need to scan my wire money and get SiberianMan's expert opinion...

 

¡Hello again Siberian Man!:hail:. Apologies for the inconvenience. Some of these coins I do not understand. Do you have an illustration on how the coined? I Found none, and I would like to illustrate the method. I found this forum. http://kgcoins.narod.ru/ But my Russian is not very good. Apologies again for the inconvenience, but I think you're the only person to solve my dilemma. Sorry…
A hug from Argentina. Thank's for your work and time.
Daniel

 

http://metaldetectingworld.com/cache_hunting_p26.shtml

The above discussed how the coins were made but does not have illustrations.

 

Thank you "dougsmit". I see it, sure I can learn something. There Not much about. at least I did not find on this topic. If I make something clear I put it here.
Thank you for your data.:hail:
Sincerely.
Daniel

 

Danielus, what of a Russian coins do you interesting in?

 

Hello Siberia Man::hail::I am interested in getting an image, give me a more precise explanation on how these coins were minted. ..(If they exist somewhere).
Here, we understand the process, but found nothing on the machinery for the production of these coins.
Thanks for your answer. Hopefully have something on the subject.
Regards.

 

Wire Coin Forum

I have a gold wire coin that I was looking to identify a few months ago. I found this forum: http://forum.ecollect.ru/ . You might like to check it out as well.

My wire coin, if authentic, was made during the reign of Feodor Aleevich between 1676-1682.

 

One more thing...

I just remembered that a user (his name was Kwinto) on another forum told me that most gold wire coins have holes in them. Apparently the Russians did not make gold wire for circulation. Instead, they were only made for great soldiers who would poke a hole in them and wear them around their neck.

 

Yes it's true. Russians didn't make gold wire coins. Only silver and copper (rare).

 

Here is a history of a circulation of Russian coins since 862 until 1700.
1. The second half of IX - the beginning of the XIIth century: Russians used a coins from Byzantium, Arabic countries and Europe. Also in that period we have produced an own silver and golden coins.
2. XII - XIVth centuries: Russians used a bars of silver (hrivnya). In that period we didn't released an own coins. At the second half of the XIIIth century and at htw first half of the XIVth century we used a Mongolian coins. During the second half of the XIVth century we counterstamped a Mongolian coins.
3. The end of the XIVth - the middle of the XVIth century: regular production of Russian coins begins. In that period Russia was a conglomerate of independent and semi-independent feudal duchies. Each duchy has produced its own wire coins. In the middle of the XVIth century Russia was a united country with an own currency: silver wire kopek. The weight of one kopek was from 0,47 to 0,68 g.
4. The second half of the XVIth - the end of the XVIIth century: Russians have bought an European thalers and melted them. From this silver we produced an own silver wire kopeks. At the middle of the XVIIth century Russians has counterstamped an European thalers. Each such thaler was equal to one rouble (100 kopeks).

 

¡¡Thank you!!. It is very interesting. I am grateful. I will pass it to an archive.
Regards:thumb:

 

Gold Wire Coins Do Exist!....I own one...

Russian gold wire coins DO indeed exist. I own one, but here are some links where you can see more:

http://www.rarecoincollector.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37&products_id=9026
http://www.mcsearch.info/record.html?id=175913
http://www.mcsearch.info/record.html?id=537756
http://www.mcsearch.info/record.html?id=537754
http://www.mcsearch.info/record.html?id=537758

There are more pictures of gold wire coins on the internet, but this should prove my point.

If you want to learn more about these gold wire coins, see:

Lapa, Frank A. Russian Wire Money. N.p., 1967.
Spasskiĭ, I. G. The Russian Monetary System. A Historico-Numismatic Survey. Amsterdam: Jacques Schulman, 1968.

From what I understand, they were never made for circulation, but instead they were given to courageous soldiers as tokens of appreciation and to coin collectors. Often times they have holes punched through them because the soldiers wore them on necklaces.

The attached photo is a picture of the coin I own. I will upload better photos of it when I get home in August!


By the way, "novodel" does not necessarily mean it is an intimation or modern. If this coin is actually a "novodel," my coin could be "sanctioned remake from the official mint," perhaps, from the late 1700s or early 1800s. (I am working on having it certified.)

See --> ( http://reviews.ebay.com/...?ugid=10000000001451380 , http://www.coinpeople.co...p?/topic/26812-novodel/ , http://vintages-antiques...rikes-of-russian-coins/ ).

 

¡¡¡Fantastic!!! It's amazing what comes out of a humble post.
Regards.
I'm learning a lot.¡¡¡Thanks!!!:thumb: