Will it CAC? #14

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Will it CAC sticker?

Poll closed Sep 28, 2024.
  1. Yes, Green Sticker

    37.5%
  2. Yes, Gold Sticker

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. NO

    56.3%
  4. Just show me the results

    6.3%
  1. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Will CAC approve this coin for stickering?

    Another Type I had a hard time finding a MS63 - MS65 example that was CAC approved in my budget. Ended up picking this coin, and submitting it myself.

    I really like 3CN.


    259879587 PCGS 1865 3CN PCGS TrueView full.jpg


    Slab shots below are just quick cell phone pics for the purpose of showing the PCGS grade.

    1865 3CN PCGS MS64 46846201 Obv Slab Cell Phone.jpg
    1865 3CN PCGS MS64 46846201 Rev Slab Cell Phone.jpg

    Let me know your thoughts.
     
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  3. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    Looks like a clashed die. Nice coin but I don't think it will "bean"
     
  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It's got a real nice original looking luster.
    I have yet to buy my first 3 cnt in high grade I want to help by saying the coin has great eye appeal.
     
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  5. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I think the spots and streaks hurt it when it comes to a sticker, so I voted "no" in the poll.
     
  6. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    The spots are the only drawback.
     
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I dunno, but I will ask a question. What are your thoughts on the lamination and the scratches, do you think they should affect the grade ? Particularly on a coin so small.
     
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  8. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That’s a beautiful looking coin and a strong grade. Also has a few mint errors that are not but I don’t think it will get a bean.
     
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  9. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    I saw the reverse die crack when I first discovered the coin, and thought for awhile on it, if it would bother me or not. I bought this coin from a dealer, not at auction, so I thought good and hard on it before pulling the trigger, as this wouldn't work with my typical low-ball "marker" bids on GreatCollections.

    In the end I actually thought the die breaks were pretty cool, as I have almost no coins with errors. I believe the die cracks lead to the lamination issue, but since it was sort of inline with the cracks and even some toning streaks, I also ended up deciding that it didn't bother me at all, as it was "mostly intact" and not really "flaking off" as some lamination errors look like. As you know, I am not much or an error collector, or even knowledgeable at all about errors, so I am not 100% proficient with the nomenclature or the process by which one error/problem creates another problem.

    You toss on some clashed dies, both obverse and reverse, which are very common on Three Cent nickels, and I thought this was sort of a trifecta of minor errors that was really representaive of the Type in general. I dont like it when the clashed dies overwhelm the coin, but for my example here, I thought to myself, well you can see them, but it doesnt ruin the coin.

    This is how I saw the coin when I toyed with it for a few days before contacting the dealer:


    1865 3C THREE-CENT PIECE - COPPER-NICKEL PCGS MS64 46846201 CAC Die Break Lamination errors.jpg

    A pristine example might have been nice, already CAC'd, but every time I saw the coins over more than 12 months of searching, they were either very mushy in the details of the roman numerals ( III ), which is very common problem with the strike in this series, or they went for more money than I wanted to spend, $300+.

    So, maybe I am rationalizing it, but it really was my thinking at the time, I like this coin, the toning, the die cracks, the clashing, and the amount of detail from the strike, the luster, and even the price. Even right now as I type this, I still really like this coin.

    In terms of "scratches" that is something I did NOT see, and I still not sure where you are seeing those on this coin. I never once thought scratches, so maybe don't point them out (unless you feel you absolutely must) so that I never see them. I don't want this to be like an orange peel situation with car paint, where once you see it, you can never unsee it and it sort of ruins 99% of all paint jobs.

    No, I personally dont think this die cracks or lamination will play much into CAC's thinking or the TPG grade.

    Ignorance is bliss, or is this a chocolate vs vanilla type of situation?
     
  10. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    For whatever reason, they just dont bother me one bit. There are certainly types of toning I hate, like heavy "mottled", but these I just see as freckles :D

    My teenage niece tells me freckles are super "in" right now, so much so, that girls are adding fake freckles to their face via makeup. Back when I was a teenage, the cool girls would cover them up like their life depended on it. (I always through they were cute).
     
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  11. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    It is MS. Nobody can answer that without seeing the coin in hand, and even then CAC/CACG is the decider.

    What I will mention is the Dealer on the reverse label is well known and would have sent it to CAC/CACG already if deserving and monetarily advantageous. The question is, was it already submitted.
     
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  12. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    I also felt the grade was fair. A spectacular coin, but is it superior for the grade?
    IDK.
     
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  13. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I used to have a number of graded MS examples of this date. Most that I've owned had die clashes (typical for the first few years of issue). I voted no sticker due to the weakness of the reverse columns. I'm not sure what CAC considers A coins for this series but think well defined columns should be a criterion.
     
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  14. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    This coin has votes closer to 50/50 on the sticker.

    I will post the results tomorrow.
     
  15. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    https://www.cacgrading.com/lookup/46846201

    Yup, got another coin beaned.

    upload_2024-9-26_22-1-11.png


    p.s. Some of the coins I submitted in last batch did NOT bean, incase you thought this was going to be me posting threads and going 6 for 6.
     
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  16. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    And congrats again!
    This one was more split but still leaned towards no from more of us (including me).
    Nice work!
     
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  17. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Took some coin pics today.

    Here are the new slab shots showing the sticker.

    The color of the coin is quite different than the TrueViews show, which is an interesting observation.

    1865 3C THREE CENT PIECE - COPPER-NICKEL PCGS MS64 46846201 CAC Obv Slab.jpg 1865 3C THREE CENT PIECE - COPPER-NICKEL PCGS MS64 46846201 CAC Rev Slab.jpg
     
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