Will it CAC? #13

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by geekpryde, Sep 17, 2024.

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Will this coin pass CAC?

Poll closed Sep 28, 2024.
  1. Yes, Green Sticker

    11.8%
  2. Yes, Gold Sticker

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  3. NO

    76.5%
  4. Just show me the results

    11.8%
  5. Who cares?

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  1. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    I recently sent in my first CAC stickering submission in many years. The below coin is from my own personal Box-of-100 Type coins. After a long hiatus, I recently started buying coin again.

    What I have found is that there are not a lot of <$350 CAC approved coins in the Types I need at the prices I am willing to pay. If they are nice coins, already CACd, they tend to go for large premiums, and I am the perennial underbidder on Great Collections.

    So more recently, I decided to use some of the grading skills and eye (that I used to think I had back in 2014) and hunt down some PCGS coins that were not CAC stickered yet, and submit them myself like I used to before I got so lazy.

    It may be a little passe to do a "will it CAC" in 2024, especially now since CACG grades coins themselves, but I thought it would maybe be fun or at least nostalgic for the good old days when these threads were more common.

    Without further ado, I precent my Capped Bust Half Dollar, Type 2, Reeded Edge, "50 CENTS" on Reverse Type Coin.

    Will this coin pass CAC?


    1837 50C HALF DOLLARS - CAPPED BUST, REEDED EDGE PCGS XF45 46961989 GreatPhoto.jpg


    1837 50C HALF DOLLARS - CAPPED BUST, REEDED EDGE PCGS XF45 46961989 Obv Slab GC.jpg

    1837 50C HALF DOLLARS - CAPPED BUST, REEDED EDGE PCGS XF45 46961989 Rev Slab GC.jpg
     
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  3. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    Are any of the top 3 (now 4 with CAC) any better than the others? I don't think so. I personally think ANACs is a tougher grader technically because I don't think they let eye appeal factor into their grading. I'll get probably get blasted for heresy but I'll take it with a sense of humor. I have more humorous comments but I'll wait for reactions. :D

    Oh, and nice coin. I don't collect them, can't afford them.
     
  4. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    1. How does the luster look?
    2. Is that color accurate to in-hand?

    The wear looks right for a nice 45, but I'm not seeing as much luster as I would like.

    Your pictures show an even, light grey across the coin.... this coin was likely dipped at some point in its past. I'm not sure where CAC stands on that these days.

    Is it a nice coin? Yes.
    Is it a coin I'd consider at the right price? They eye appeal is not for me, but its a reasonable coin at the right price.
    Is it a coin I'd pay a premium for... No.
     
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  5. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    I find Anacs intriguing solely because they're willing to issue a Sheldon number grade to details coins. That by itself has had me consider several of my questionable coins in for their grading services because, at the least, I'd have something to go on aside from a general categorization like UNC or AU, etc.

    As for the coin in question, I can't really say yay or nay, especially from the pictures. I've got a capped bust half that my dealer specifically pointed out to send in for grading, but I prefer raw coins... at least until I decide to sell any of them (haha, no!) from my collection. Does this one have any luster or cartwheel left on it? The wear points look pretty clean, but the photos aren't doing it justice I think.
     
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  6. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    I just noticed that this is a needed edge... I have zero experience with these, as I am still in the market for acquiring my first specimen. I'm assuming the grading standards are the same, but I've never even held one in hand so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
     
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  7. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    I've got exactly one and it's in garbage condition. It was passed down to me. I can enjoy other people's pursuits and passions but can't add much to this discussion. It's hard to even be knowledgeable on even on issue. Jefferson nickels drive me nuts for example.
     
  8. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Not much wear, but the luster I see looks 35/40ish to me. Old dip?
    Nice coin at any rate.
    I don't disagree with the grade, but lean no sticker from CAC.
     
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  9. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Reeded Edge halves are similar in that they have the same basic design, but they are very different in the method of manufacture. Capped Bust halves (lettered edge) were struck by a horse-operated press with a giant flywheel. Reeded edge halves were struck on a steam press. The technology was very different, the designs were adjusted accordingly, and the strike resulting is different.

    There are *many* subtleties in grading early US halves that are beyond the scope of this thread. Suffice it to say... Capped Bust, Reeded Edge, Type 2 is its own unique beast (and yeah, the Type 2 is important compared to Type 1!)
     
  10. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I think it's a nice coin but there are some things that are of concern to me (that made me vote "no" to a sticker).
    1) It is a bit crusty but not the type of crusty that I have seen sticker from CAC
    2) It seems a bit brighter (due to a dip) than what I think CAC likes
    3) Just a general "feel" (try to quantify that :p) that the coin is not "all there"
     
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  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I believe the coin is accurate in the grade it received and will not CAC.
     
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  12. 1776

    1776 Active Member

    Looks like a nice solid grade
     
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  13. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    I guessed no but I think it's worth a shot.
     
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  14. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The coin has a dull washed out look. It's not the sort of thing that CAC normally stickers.
     
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  15. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Is does in fact have some nice sparkly luster around the stars, and more of less throughout the fields and devices, but I sure cannot capture it in a photo. I even tried video and still failed, although I will try again with a proper camera (not my phone).

    Yes, the coin has this pleasing light battleship grey color, if you can imagine it not stripped of luster and monotone. So, the posted photos look accurate in terms of color, but they are not accurate in terms of how flat they look compared to the coin in hand. I just cannot capture the small silver luster bits in a photo.

    I really liked this coin, and could "imagine" when I was bidding that it was not totally stripped, and I was very happy when I received it in the mail.

    I think Doug told me once that this "50 cents" varieties largely have a lack of luster in the AU grades, maybe he was talking about the reeded edge in general.

    I paid significantly under PCGS retail for this coin, so I was even happy with the price. I had given up on finding a CAC approved example, as I was always blow right out of the water. So this was my chance to buy and submit myself.
     
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  16. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    No cartwheel left, but it does have some nice silverly sparkly bits throughout, sort of like stars in a night sky (if the sky was battleship grey). :D
     
  17. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Yes, I believe the change in how these were produced was what Doug was referring to me in an email about 10 years ago, I am paraphrasing here, "The problem with this Type is always the damn luster"
     
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  18. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    I just voted prior to seeing this, but after the previous reply. Granted, I own zero CAC stickered coins, and only a very small amount of graded coins (I prefer raw coins for my own silly reasons) but I think this one might stand a chance at the bean from your latest responses. Best of luck if you decide to send it!
     
  19. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    The only "YES" vote appears to be ME. Ever the optimist! Well, not normally, but I have decent CAC % stickered coins, so in this case, I am holding out for a green sticker.
     
  20. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    Lol! I voted yes, too! I really do hope this one gets the bean. That would be great! Generally speaking, I'm too cheap to send in for grading. Slabs don't easily fit in my albums, and I'm trying not to double or triple up on individual year & mint coins... at least not too frequently.
     
  21. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Assuming the image is within reason of an in-hand sight seen, and having increased the size of the image, the answer is no.
     
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