Why no St. Nicholas?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Gary Waddingham, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. Gary Waddingham

    Gary Waddingham Well-Known Member

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    Here is an Byzantine electrum coin with the emperor and St. George. The next electrum piece is the emperor and St. Demetrius (os). The last coin is a gold (not electrum) coin with St. Constantine. The last object is a seal of Michael Atouemes, sebastos, 2nd half of the 13th century with St. Michael. Of course Christ and Mary are also on Byzantine gold coins. Tomorrow is the feast day in the west of St. Nicholas, arguably the most popular saint in both the east and west together. Yet, he does not appear on Byzantine gold or Byzantine coins of any sort that I am aware of. He does appear on Byzantine seals. Why is he not on the gold and other coinage?






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  3. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Very nice coins, seal and post. If there was a St. Nicholas coin it would be very popular, especially at this time of the year.
     
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  4. alde

    alde Always Learning

    I have seen at least one coin of St. Nick. If I remember right it was 16th or 17th century German. Maybe a Batzen but I'm not sure. It didn't sell for more than $50. I wish I had bought it.

    Nice coins by the way.
     
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  5. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    The guy on ebay said this was a rare issue of Basil II. But your implication is that I was scammed. Was I??

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  9. Gary Waddingham

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  10. Gary Waddingham

    Gary Waddingham Well-Known Member

    In fact I just found one on Vcoins for Michael VIII and ordered it. Thanks again for the heads up.
     
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  11. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice coins @Gary Waddingham ! It would have been cool if the Byzantines had struck a St. Nick type but I guess they didn't.
     
  12. Gary Waddingham

    Gary Waddingham Well-Known Member

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    Here is the St. Nicholas coin. Here also is a map of the Byzantine empire under Michael VIII taken from Sear's book on Byzantine coins. It has shrunk considerably. The Byzantines usually used military saints such as Demetrius (os), George, Michael the Archangel, George, and Theodore {who was originally one saint and became Theodore the General (Stratelates) and St. Theodore the recruit (Tyro) for class reasons}. A mighty empire needed military saints. They were often portrayed with swords in hand. A Byzantine soldier killing a man in the field was required to do thirty days penance (psychologically and spiritually useful whatever you might think). From the seventh century on, Muslim armies were full of young men promised willing virgins in paradise, a distinct recruiting edge. Perhaps Michael VIII used St. Nicholas because he was the last resort of the weak. He was the patron saint of sailors, children and prostitutes, all categories of people who were at the will of factors not of their own making.
     
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  13. Severus Alexander

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    Wow, that I did not know! Enemy combatants were generally not considered "innocent" & so exempted from "thou shalt not kill." (A necessary move at the time of Constantine if Christianity was going to be an Imperial religion.) But I guess it was still considered a sin, if a lesser one.
     
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  14. GerardV

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    Take my word for it...you weren't scammed as far as you know!

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