Why don't the TPGs Grade Edges?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by iPen, Feb 16, 2016.

  1. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    EDIT: IMHO the edge is the most underrated part of a coin. Though technically, TPGs do mention rim nicks and such that affect the edge. But don't they deserve more comprehensive attention? They are, after all, a part of the coin's surface.

    Some coins may have security edges, others may have incused inscriptions, raised letters and designs, etc. Others may be simple and highly polished like on the Austria Philharmonic 1 oz rounds - if there's a fingerprint on there, or a minor blemish that would otherwise make it an MS-70, would the TPG's ignore it?


    So why don't they? Is it a conspiracy by TPGs not to grade edges because they handle coins by hand on the edges? lol I'd like to think that. But why do they seem to largely neglect the rim, let alone even showcasing the edges on their slabs?

    Thanks in advance!
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2016
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    These are called EDGES.
     
  4. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    Whoops you're right! lol I meant the coin's third side, it's edges!

    Early mornings and mid-afternoons are my most sluggish moments.

    How do I change the title?
     
  5. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I've said it before - IMHO the rim is the most underrated part of a coin. Though technically, TPGs do mention rim nicks and such. But don't they deserve more comprehensive attention? They are, after all, a part of the coin's surface Some teachers call "edges" the "third side."
    Some rims (EDGES) may have security edges, others may have incused inscriptions, raised letters and designs, etc. Others may be simple and highly polished like on the Austria Philharmonic 1 oz rounds - if there's a fingerprint on there, or a minor blemish that would otherwise make it an MS-70, would the TPG's ignore it?
    So why don't they? Perhaps it is because for a long time the edge was hidden in the slab. The new inserts do allow folks to see the edge, however, that part of the coin appears not to be important unless it is damaged. Is it a conspiracy by TPGs not to grade rims because they handle coins by hand on the rims? lol I'd like to think that. But why do they seem to largely neglect the rim, let alone even showcasing the rims on their slabs? Rather than ask questions here and get meaningless opinions, why not call a TPGS and tell us all what they say.:hilarious:
    :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:
     
  6. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member


    Yes, I need a nap right about now. Maybe I'll call them after that.

    Had a long night yesterday/today...
     
  7. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    :oops: :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious: I hope you can't. It will be fun to read the replies.
     
  8. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Let's not and say we did. This could open a whole new can of worms for TPG's to re-slab their coins and most folks would not like the results. Speaking for the newer dollar coins...have you see any that do not have some sort of damage to the edges or lettering? It used to be so simple years ago when everything was graded like coins without a numerical designation. Comics, Lunch Boxes, Stamps, etc. Then along came someone who ruined it all.
     
  9. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    True, I can definitely see it play out that way.

    I really like seeing the edges though, especially if they have raised designs.
     
    tommyc03 likes this.
  10. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Wonder what these rims would grade?
    [​IMG]
     
    Insider likes this.
  11. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    ask a Mod to do it
     
  12. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Albums and folders completely cover the edge. Slabs do as good of a job as you can showing off as much of the edge as you can but something has to hold the coin in place until magic is invented.

    As far as the grading they do take it into account but it is just not that important, it is not a focal point. A mark in the fields behind the head would impact the grade less than one right in the middle of the cheek, take that same mark and move it to the edge and it has even less of an impact the grade even less than the field one.
     
  13. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    TPGS do not grade foreign rims. Too many Chinese reproductions.
     
    Markus1959 likes this.
  14. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    Well I called PCGS and customer service told me that the graders would know, but they're not allowed to talk to graders for these sorts of inquiries, and that we aren't allowed to talk to them directly over the phone. NGC was closed when I tried to call so no luck there.
     
    Insider likes this.
  15. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Good work and follow through. I would bet my life that you would not be able to talk with a PCGS grader. They don't have time to deal with customers.

    NGS will be a toss-up. You just might get your question answered but probably not answered directly by a grader either.

    IMO, you'll have your best shot being transferred directly to a grader at ANACS or ICG. I'll bet money on this! The question may be something they cannot answer for sure as that would affect company policy. You may get to talk to a SEGS grader also as that is a small company.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page