Who has a copy of Varbanov's reference on Moesia Inferior/Marcianopolis?

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    If you have a copy of Varbanov, would you be so kind as to look up a coin for me? Please message me or reply in this thread. Thanks!
     
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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I do. What do you need?
     
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  4. Roman Collector

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    Would you please see if there is a pentassarion of Severus Alexander and Julia Mameae (confronted busts) of Marcianopolis with a Dikaiosyne/Aequitas standing left, holding scales and cornucopiae under magistrate Umbrius Tereventinus (225-229)?

    This is the coin in question:

    Severus Alexander and Julia Mamaea.jpg
    The obverse inscription should read either ΑVΓ ΚΜ ΑVΡ CΕVΗ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟC ΚΑΙ ΙΟVΛΙΑ ΜΑΜΑΙΑ or ΑVΓ ΚΜ ΑVΡ CΕVΗ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟC ΙΟVΛΙΑ ΜΑΜΑΙΑ.

    The reverse inscription should read ΗΓ ȣ ΤΕΡΕΒΕΝΤΙΝΟV ΜΑΡΚΙΑΝΟΠΟΛΙΤ-ΩΝ.

    It is similar to, but not the same as Varbanov 1834, which depicts Nemesis with scales and cornucopiae but with a wheel at her feet:

    Severus Alexander and Julia Mamaea Nemesis.jpg

    My coin doesn't have a wheel at her feet.

    Note I'm 100% positive it's Severus Alexander with Mamaea and 100% positive it was issued under Tereventinus.
     
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  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Here's the PM I sent you...

    Nope, no such animal exists in Varbanov. The only figure with scales is Nemesis. But Varbanov's coin illustrating 1834 doesn't have a wheel either. See this acsearch page. This raises the question of whether these coins are properly described. Are the figures without the wheel actually Aequitas, or can Nemesis do without her wheel?
     
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  6. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    O..them Markianopolis folks always fergitin' sumpin on the coins seem like..:) Greek Caracalla bronze 004.JPG Greek Caracalla bronze 002.JPG
     
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  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I posted the photo of the Nemesis (with the wheel) coin from the CNG listing at the acsearch page; they apparently misattributed it to Varbanov 1834.

    Would you be so kind as to pull Varbanov off the shelf and see what number the Nemesis with scales, cornucopiae and wheel is? Thanks!

    I figure there's a reason why coins in this series--have a figure with and without a wheel. While not absolutely certain, I think it's the wheel that distinguishes Nemesis from Dikaiosyne.
     
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  8. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Interestingly, Nemesis is often portrayed as having wings:

    nemesis.jpg

    nemesis11.jpg
     
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  9. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I'm not sure that they were seen as distinct deities in the region at that time. Under the description Nemesis, or Nemesis-Aequitas/Dikaiosyne, or Dikaisoyne, we have those that carry scales+cornucopiae and have a wheel and those that don't, but we also have those that carry scales+rod (arshin) with wheel and without. This doesn't even account for those that have just the rod and the wheel, but no scales. I think there may be more variations too.
    https://www.cngcoins.com/Search.aspx?PAGE_NUM=&PAGE=1&TABS_TYPE=2&CONTAINER_TYPE_ID=1&IS_ADVANCED=1&ITEM_DESC=Nemesis marcianopolis&ITEM_IS_SOLD=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_1=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_3=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_2=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_4=1
    Perhaps all we're being shown in the variations are different aspects of the same (syncretised) deity.
     
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