Who decides

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Hazmatt, Feb 3, 2024.

  1. Hazmatt

    Hazmatt Active Member

    Who decides what constitutes an error, the mint? They are the ones making everything from the master dies to the hubs and the collars right?
     
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  3. cwart

    cwart Senior Member

    The error collectors can be more precise I am sure, but isn’t an error going to be a manufacturing problem? A variety will be a slight change in the engraving of the coin.
     
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  4. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    It got to be the mint. Otherwise it’s just damage
     
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  5. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    Error-ref.com calls plating blisters errors (Part V, Planchet Error).

    I think they are a manufacturing defect, not an error…Spark
     
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  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Defect, error, same thing :wacky:

    Here's a defect that's a Mint Error..
    From my collection
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  7. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    I suppose you’re right…to-may-to…to-mah-to…Spark
     
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  8. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    This one I agree is a bonafide error.
     
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  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    The mint is the manufacturer and they have set standards, in writing. If they produce a coin outside of those written standards then it’s an error. Varieties are different so don’t get them confused.
    These are errors: 45DF41D9-C01F-4286-942E-B456A3EA59FC.jpeg 089F7992-9A92-47F6-8021-091EC397D9A6.jpeg 376F9B8F-97CE-4451-9280-603D2B2AA04D.jpeg F36CFFC7-A670-4289-8985-FE3E55D5ED85.jpeg 026E4E46-3596-45F2-9E9F-9C090382E770.jpeg
     
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  10. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    I think the collector is the one that denotes what is an Error Coin.
    Mint errors have three categories , Planchet, Die and Striking. A Blank or planchet is considered an error only because it should not have left the mint as a blank.
    Post 1982 LMC planchets are not made at the mint, so can you still call them
    Mint Errors when they have a defect? If the clad metal used to make Dimes and Quarters is not made at the mint and it has a defective layer do those coins made with it become Errors only because they should not have left the mint or only
    because someone can make money by selling them as such?
    I get to decide what I do and do not collect, I have to use what I understand about the minting process and the mint itself to decide what is what. It is easy to get one put over on you because some people use coin collecting as a money making business. I do not think a Defect and an Error are always the same thing.

    Some varieties are caused by errors and some are caused by design changes.
     
  11. silviosi

    silviosi Member

    In order to decide what it is an Error or Variety, the intervenant must know very well the Minting Process and what was use by periods of time. So mean to understand well the knowleadge of the Error Definition must be well apply. Definition: Any anomaly ocured during the process of fabrication in which Human Intervention was involved.

    This it is an example of an controversy, In fact 1987 till 2001(Philladelphia) and 2004 (Denver and San Francisco) those blancs was produce outside Mint facility, but in fact will still be consider errors because the reception at the Mint facility has mint personal to verify and also at the subsidary facilities the Mint allways has the personel. 1987 till 2001 respective 2004 was an exception. (for this I can produce the educational materiel)

    Now back to the question: In fact we have Errors, Varieties and some which the vision to fall in one category or other it is controversy. An example are the Cuds, BIE or Die Cracks. Those in fact are part of the aging Die, an normal course of the components of the machines. IMHO those could be put in an new catergory as very minors indirect varieties. (Just think: if your car brake pads worn. It is an error?? absoluty No)

    So in conclusion: The answer rest on the knowleadge of the Mint process by periods. I can show here some examples if will be request as per examples the blanking, the Mint chain of production, an very controversy subject as Feeder Fingers which do not exist on the Horizontal Presses, or to explain the some of the wrong emplyed denomination with the hystoric and racins of this like the wrong employ of the term LAM which in our case could be employ only in cladding and plated. But we have to respect also our past aways and our 40 and more years seniors.

    Silvio
     
  12. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Well gee I don't know of nobody else who's making that stuff. However they just make the errors. We catch them when they do it because they don't know it when they do it otherwise they wouldn't do it, does that make any sense?
     
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  13. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    But I didn't do it.
     
  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I didn't say you did it. But now that I think of it, you probably did.
     
  15. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    I know, right? Would make sense.
     
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