Which is the obverse …… and which is the reverse?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by jamesicus, Dec 16, 2018.

  1. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member


    Divo Augusto Elephant Quadriga S.P.Q.R. sestertii were issued by Tiberius as follows:

    BMCRE Vol. I, Tiberius, 102, TR POT XXXVI, AD 34-35 (RIC Vol. I, 56)
    BMCRE Vol. I, Tiberius, 108, TR POT XXXVII, AD 35-36 (RIC Vol. I, 62)
    BMCRE Vol. I, Tiberius, 125, TR POT XXXIIX, AD 36-37 (RIC Vol. I, 68)

    The Depictions and Inscriptions were the same for each issue except for the TR POT date.

    The TR POT date for BMCRE 125 (RIC 68) is unusual in that it is rendered as a subtractive: XXX (thirty) X minus II (eight) = XXXIIX, instead of the usual XXXVIII.

    All three issues are cataloged differently by BMCRE versus RIC, WILDWINDS, SEAR and most auction houses & coin dealers, as detailed below.

    RIC Volume I, Tiberius 68, sestertius as cataloged by RIC, WILDWINDS, SEAR and most auction houses & coin dealers:

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    Sestertius, RIC, Vol. I, Tiberius, No. 68, AD 36-37 (35mm, 22.6gm)
    Cataloged in Wildwinds under Augustus - Sear 1784
    Coin obverse depiction: Augustus, radiate, togate, holding laurel branch in r. hand and long sceptre in l., seated on throne, placed on a car, drawn l. by four elephants, each bearing a mahout on its neck. The side of the car is ornamented with shields (?)
    Inscription across top in three lines DIVO AVGVSTO SPQR
    Coin reverse depiction: Large, centered S C
    Inscription clockwise from top: TI CAESAR DIVI AVG F AVGVST PM TR POT XXXIIX

    BMCRE Volume I, Tiberius 125, sestertius:

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    Sestertius, BMCRE, Vol. I, No. 125, AD 36-37 (35mm, 22.6gm)
    Coin obverse depiction: Large, centered S C
    Inscription clockwise from top: TI CAESAR DIVI AVG F AVGVST PM TR POT XXXIIX
    Coin reverse depiction: Augustus, radiate, togate, holding laurel branch in r. hand and long sceptre in l., seated on throne, placed on a car, drawn l. by four elephants, each bearing a mahout on its neck. The side of the car is ornamented with shields (?)
    Inscription across top in three lines DIVO AVGVSTO SPQR

    Note the above obverse and reverse designations as depicted in the following BMCRE Volume I PDF extract (same for all three issues). Mattingly justified his obverse designation based on the very large SC and the Imperial titulature. The BMCRE reference plates reflect these designations.

    BMCRE VOLUME I PDF EXTRACT

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  3. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Which side is concave?
     
  4. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Neither that I can determine.
     
  5. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    The thread title is a come-on intended to entice members of the Forum to partipate in this thread - sorry for the subterfuge. I think just about every collector these days recognizes and uses the RIC obverse and reverse designations for these coins - I do. But it is interesting that Mattingly, surely one of the most meticulous and respected researchers and catalogers of Roman Imperial coins, uses the obverse and reverse designations that he does for the British Museum coins.

    And please excuse the poor condition of the coin I posted - It is the best example of that issue I have been able to find.
     
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  6. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    Here is his argument; which, though I understand his point, do not find strong enough to follow his arrangement.

    "It seems more logical to consider this side as obverse than as reverse, combining as it does the references to emperor and senate or moneyer and senate..."
     
  7. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    You beat me to it in posting his argument in BMCRE Volume I, Victor.
     
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  8. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Isn’t SC generally on the reverse.
     
  9. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Yes, mostly on aes coins of the early to mid Empire.
     
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