whats going on with this seated half dime?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by valente151, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. valente151

    valente151 Mr. AU64, Jr.

    I found it for sale and the edge looks weird. Was it struck out of collar or something else IYO?

    Thanks

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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Off the top of my head I'd say it's a fake.
     
  4. thecointrader

    thecointrader Lurking Since 2006

    If it's real, it may have been an encased coin.
     
  5. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Die crumbling is my guess. Reminds me of large cents with a similar look.
     
  6. Hunt1

    Hunt1 Active Member

    obv. looks iffy.
     
  7. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Look at teh obverse shield, especially the Liberty. Compare it to a real coin. Its a fake.
     
  8. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Fake? Really? Shield doesn't look off to me.... What, specifically, looks off to you?

    This one shows same rim effect:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1856-Seated-Liberty-Half-Dime-Choice-BU-NICE-ORIGINAL-/400136539548

    As does this one:

    http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=318&lotNo=5857#Photo

    Note the following in the detail:

    "The denticles are indistinct--a not uncommon feature for the issue"

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    Again, the rim doesn't bother me in the least -- looks like die crumbling you'd see on a large cent -- apparently no different from others of the same date/issue.

    Comparing the OPs coin to the two pictured above, what, specifically, looks off to you? LIBERTY and the shield look good to me, but maybe you're seeing something I'm not....Mike
     
  9. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    It is real. The rims/denticals on the 1850's/60's half dimes often look like this. I don't know why they frequently come this way but they do. They almost look like a broadstrike but they do have reeding on the edge and they are not oversized.
     
  10. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    I agree... but only because the fakes look much better than this coin.
     
  11. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I will stand corrected Mike, I must have been comparing it to another denomination. It actually looks concave. I have never seen one like that.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It might be genuine Mike, I dunno. That's why I said "off the top of my head".

    The things that bother me, make me suspicious, are the surfaces. On the obv, and oddly on the obv only, I see a look that is often found on cast coins - small pits and bumps scattered pretty much over the entire coin. And yeah, coins found in the ground often have that same look. But when they do, both sides of the coin have the same look, not just one. But cast coins will often have that 1 side effect for the bubbles rise to the top of the mold while the bottom is smooth like it is supposed to be.

    On the rev the surface is very uneven, especially around the right side of HALF DIME and the right loop of the bow. There are sizable high spots and low spots. Same kind of thing around the ES and OF.

    Those are things that jumped out at me, very unusual and not at all common on genuine coins. Thus my comment.
     
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