What would this coin grade?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Boss, May 19, 2009.

  1. Boss

    Boss Coin Hoarder

    Was convinced this coin was lacquered for a while, but then pulled back out and it looked better than I thought. Would it grade at PCGS. Any Lincoln experts pipe in please if you would. Any opinions on the coin. The luster is not full cartwheel on the obverse or at least not super strong.
     

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  3. Boss

    Boss Coin Hoarder

    I should add the sheen is from a fresh coat of mineral oil. I must some of my coins I still have oil on. I have talked to others in the industry who have used Coin Care or mineral oil x many years (like 15-20) who swear by these methods and have seen no ill effects. I am selective with the oil use. Don't use on any full RD cents unless it's low value and I have a specific concern
     
  4. tpsadler

    tpsadler Numismatist

    Very nice looking Lincoln.

    I would think this coin should grade MS63 - 64. Let me know how it turns out :)
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Finally!
    An interesting 'what will this coin grade' thread.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Honest opinion - there is little to no luster remaining on the coin except in the protected areas. This leads me to believe the coin has seen enough circulation for the luster to have been worn off. Either that or it was improperly cleaned at some point in the past.

    Could be wrong, but that's what I see.
     
  7. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    It's interesting, as I was looking at the photos I thought it actually was quite lustrous. Maybe I'm being fooled by the sheen of the mineral oil.

    Anyways, nice coin.
     
  8. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    The coin appears to be cleaned...
    It is a nice looking one though....
    There looks like whatever luster is reaming is uneven and off balance, the close up of the date, that you gave, really throws me off, because there is no luster..
    This is a mid mint state coin, 64-65, but I don't know if PCGS would grade it
     
  9. houston3204

    houston3204 Numismatic Consultant

    hmmmmm

    It appears to have seem circulation....and was cleaned at some point in it's life........maybe au....???? in my opinion :hammer: Thanks for posting...very nice however
     
  10. Boss

    Boss Coin Hoarder

    Thanks guys. I was really excited about this coin as I kind of wrote this coin off. The dip on the obverse like a little mountain on each side of Abe is what my other lacquered coins look like.

    Doug- where have you been?? Good to here from you.
     

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  11. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    The word I am looking for is GLOSSY
    The coin looks glossy... Like somebody put a thin layer of gloss on the coin, giving it a fake luster, almost...
    Still a nice coin, a keeper! :D
     
  12. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    When I look at that coin, I see AU.
     
  13. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    If you look above and below the S and above Abe's head and around the letters you can see the remaining luster. It looks orange against the brown of the rest of the coin


    I'll say mid AU. Nice cent.
     
  14. Boss

    Boss Coin Hoarder

    Sorry some of those are duplicates. Couldn't tell which ones I had posted. These are probably duplicates too. I am so confused.
     

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  15. Boss

    Boss Coin Hoarder

    That's why I thought it was lacquered. Maybe I'll remove the oil and rephoto. I did have the glossy look before the mineral oil. I don't see any wear at all myself, unless it was lacquered and of course that would hide the wear or damage. I don't have any more courage to remove any potential lacquer (with xylene). Every single coin I suspected and removed the lacquer on (I was right about every coin I suspected) was a collosal disappointment. :hammer: :eek: :confused:
     
  16. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    I think your pictures and lighting are bringing out a look that's not really there....based on the date close-up. This coin is mint state, it has a typical branch mint weaknesses seen on early Lincolns.

    MS-63 BN
     
  17. Boss

    Boss Coin Hoarder

    Well- Thad has a point here. The weaker strikes have less porosity and have a shinier look in general so that may be causing the glossy look even with the oil off. Stronger strikes tend to be more porous and tend to form verdigris easier and have better flow lines, i.e., cartwheel luster as I understand. David Lange writes about this phenomena
     
  18. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Please see my post in the other thread, but I suspect part of what you're seeing is the removal of protective grime/oils by dipping in solvents and as a result the coins have a "glossy" appearance (which is also more reactive than it was before the solvent dip). Be careful....Mike
     
  19. Boss

    Boss Coin Hoarder

    Well, it has a mineral oil on now and I have submitted coins with and without. I will debate to myself (I wonder if I will answer??) if I do submit with or without mineral oil.
     
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