What type of doubling?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Kristine Garrant, Mar 15, 2023.

  1. Kristine Garrant

    Kristine Garrant Certified Newbie

    Still trying to learn the differences between all the many doublings. I understand the method to a true double die and the others that are not so special bit occur still. I just am trying to learn how to spot them on my coins. Its not easy lol. Any advice on how to take a definition and apply it on my coins with their different pmd would be appreciated. 20230315_091026.jpg 20230315_091644.jpg 20230315_091657.jpg 20230315_091727.jpg
     
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I call it UEMD -
    Unnecessary Extreme Magnification Doubling :yack:
     
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  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Doubled dies add to the width and thickness of a device. If we use the photos you provided. The thickness is reduced. All the letters are skinny. The doubling in this case is something mechanical and flattened the letter upon strike. If this were a doubled die the secondary doubling would be the same height as the original device and look thicker than normal, with separation lines and notching.
     
  5. PamR

    PamR You Never Know! Supporter

    I’m still learning but I did want to raise my hand and say I know I know. Kidding with you. It is a lot to the doubled coins. Keep looking. :)
     
  6. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    These are weird ones because they're from the single-squeeze hubbings. Translated, many are going to look like strike-doubling, when there was movement in the single-squeeze hubbing. In effect, they're strike-doubling, with all the attributes, shelf-like and flat, but at the hub-striking, not the planchet-striking stage. As such it wouldn't hardly be surprising were some expert nutcake to call this one a "doubled die." It's, again, caused from movement, that's all. What do I personally think of these? Eh?
     
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  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I'm quoting a member of CoinTalk @desertgem who recently posted this statement

    Quote "True doubled dies are basically gone. Single squeeze die production took over in 1997, and actual doubled dies technically could not be produced. However many new explanations of how there could be such still popped up as many "coin experts" had significant investment (websites, books, buy/sell, etc.).

    IMO, some were difficult to accept how they were produced. One expert came up with a type IX called "God Only Knows" because to me (and them) it was impossible to say how it could occur. Many new collectors, get taken very often! Ebay, Etsy, CraigsList, etc. are like shopping in an old foreign trade shop. Many coin forums (such as this one) have sufficient expertise to call out whether it is "Good!" or not, and hopefully, newcomers can pick it up also.
    There are some new true learners here who have shown great advances in making good judgement this year as they ask questions, read threads and articles, and notices the quirks of the coins and are the experts of tomorrow. IMO Jim.." Closed quote
     
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  8. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It’s doubled but it’s not the type of doubling you want.
     
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  9. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    What you have here is the MDO for this year

    Obverse Varieties

    2019 1¢ WMDO-001 Doubled Master Die

    Description: Significant extra thickness shows on the 9 in the date.

    Die Markers: Obverse: Will vary among the individual working dies. Reverse: Will vary among the individual working dies.

    Submitted By: Various individuals

    Cross References: None known
     
  10. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Anybody that thinks this happen from hopping, skipping or jumping, better think again
    Wed Jul 28 08-55-57.jpg
     
  11. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    What c What he said.jpg they said.

    I can't add anything to the discussion, because it has been well covered. Thank you to our knowledgable members.
     
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  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    +1
     
  13. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I Soo miss having those master listings.
     
  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Thats not the coin Kristine posted though.
     
  15. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I posted it because some of our members believe that skipping, hopping and jumping are causing these ddo(s) . These ddo(s) are made no different then the old days .

    I've posted this info before, which was already admitted by the mint ..

    Here's some info from that thread .
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  16. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

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  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Got a giggle on that one. First real smile today
     
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  18. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Can see your really trying. I’m the same way. Glad these members have time to teach teach teach and not give up on answering questions
     
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  19. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    When in doubt throw it into the jug and save it for the grandkids. When I visit or see them. We talk about this stuff. They show me a few that look interesting. Put the in quarters holders(my inventory). And let them mark them. Grandkids found a 1998 wide AM on there own. Baby steps
     
  20. Kristine Garrant

    Kristine Garrant Certified Newbie

    This industry is so complicated that it is a blessing to have these guys to run to for knowledge for sure!
     
  21. Kristine Garrant

    Kristine Garrant Certified Newbie

    I am literally blind. I have to look at something then be able to apply a term to it. Its called learning. Just because I ask doesnt mean i think it is. Just tring to differentiate.
     
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