What is natural toning?????????????????????

Hi, I bought some bank wrapped rolls of Ben Franklin from a estate. The brown wrappers were stamped by the bank, dated 1954, 1959 ect.. These were the $20 worth of coins per wrapper not the $10 wrappers. These coins were outstanding so I sent some of them in to NGC to get graded. NGC sent them all back as UNC Details Artificial Toning. So I call ngc and the girl told me that grading was a opinion. So I ask what is natural toning and she said natural toning is natural. ????? So she said that bank roll wrappers is not natural toning. I asked her what was the differance between bank wrappers and the canvas bags that Morgans were stored in. She said the bags were natural. Is anyone else confused at this point? So after this conversation I have the opinion the all bank wrappers must be artificial!!!!! :rollling: But canvas bags are natural!!!!:rollling: To say the least I AM VERY ****ED OFF AT NGC! Now that I spoke my mind I hope the rest of you out there think twice before you send your toned coins in to NGC to be graded.

 

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Yet another example of the BS that tends to constitute a large part of the TPG system. Better off without it as far as I'm concerned. They should authenticate only - then leave the condition assessment to the "beholder".

 

What a joke.
Bank rolls in no way represent what anyone would consider AT.
AT to me is coin doctoring, not leaving them in a bank wrapper.

 

That is complete edited Canvas bags and wrappers are MAN-MADE, therefore not natural. I see what NGC is trying to say, but they can't pick and choose what is considered natural and what is not considered natural; there needs to be 1 standard and that's it!! If these are the BS rules they have set, then it's time for an uprising!!

 

Next they will say that leaving them in a folder for 15 years is AT, and then you wont even be able to find it on the side walk without it being AT......

 

The TPG's are really cracking down on toned coins lately. Take some good pics of the toning and post 'em up here and we'll do our best to give you an opinion.

 

Yeah I would like to see some pics of the coins, and the toning.

 

Yes, rebel against the whole TPG system - just look at the GD coin!

 

Here is some pictures of one of them. Jim

 

I don't see anything unnatural, beats me.

 

I think you got someone else's slab, because those look as natural as can be.

 

Did you tell NGC, that they came from a roll??

 

I sent the over 40 coins like this one.

 

This one was on the end of one of the rolls.

 

That's crazy! Sorry for your predicament. Call them back.

 

That's a beautiful coin!! What do you want for it?? JK lol

 

Not for sale, SORRY!

 

Did they tag all of them as AT?

It's a pretty big red flag for them, I bet, when they get lots of unusual (scarce) colors of tone in one batch.