What if Anything is Wrong with this Picture? 1832 Large Cent...

A current offering on the internet; a friend sent me the link and was interested in buying it...




Best, Jack.

 

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I really don't know the series to well but the reverse doesn't fit the Medium letter or Large letters.

 

The 2 doesn't look right. On the genuine, there is a clear separation between the curl at the top of the 2 and the base, here it runs together.
Hard to explain.

 

The date digits are too close and the stars look like they came from a box of lucky charms.(assuming N-3 is the only large letter variety. I'm not much of an early copper variety collector)

 

The denticles are not uniform; this arouses my suspicion but I have no expertise with this series…Spark

 

The question I would be asking... How much are they asking? Looks Legit. ,but I'm no expert either.

 

There's several items I noticed on this specimen, most covered by other posters. The stars were the first thing I noticed, I am not a copper expert by any means. But have seen many times things on coins that one would say ah...no way...
On the op coin pass

 

I agree about the stars, especially the one between 1 and 2 o'clock. It looks like it isn't complete. I also noticed the liberty letters are not very clear and look crooked. Maybe a better picture but I would question the authenticity. Regards.

 

I’m not up on this series as I should be and I do have a number of them but this coin has several items that make me look twice and say, “What”? I would avoid at all costs.

 

The OP coin would have to be the medium letter variety. The L in Liberty seems off to me. The numerals in the date look wrong; especially the 3 and 2. There's probably more things I could pick at.

Here's a genuine one:

 

My first observation was the E in Liberty. It is a bit cocked and out of proportion to the rest of the letters.

I know zero about this series, so my 'vast knowledge' should be taken with not a grain of salt, but rather a pound.

 

Working from John Wright's book: I can't match the OP's coin to any of the three die marriages nor any of the six dies.

The date is narrow, like Obverse 1 with the requisite short peak on 1. But the 2 does not align with the lowest curl properly. But the stars 3, 4, and 10 do not point between dentils and neither do stars 1, 2 and 13. Doesn't match Obverse 2 at all. And Obverse 3 is a wide date.

So, the obverse looks like a fake.

The OP's reverse doesn't match any of the three known.

So this coin looks like a counterfeit to me.

 

"Coin" is a common Chinese counterfeit based on the 1833 N-5 large cent.

I wrote a past Coin Week article on the "family" @ https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/struck-counterfeit-coins-a-family-of-struck-fake-large-cents/

 

Stars too big and mushy reverse looks off more like an earlier date one. And the portrait doesn’t look right either

 

It isn't a series I've collected but if I did, any time I was going to spend bigger money, I'd go with a certified example.

 

I immediately saw the one big red flag that's easiest for me to recognize: @Jack D. Young started a thread about it!

 

The listing was removed...

 

It’s the same reverse die as the 1826 discussed in another discussion today. And the obverse comes from the same host with the small indent at the tip of the bust.

 

Absolutely! These continue to hit many venues in the marketplace.

Another from my collection:

 

CLARIFICATION! Same obverse die with the divot at the bust tip (1833 N-5) but a different reverse!

The counterfeiters have made fakes using 1833 N-5 AND 1833 N-3 as sources and then mixed and matched the dies. The 1832 I posted here is N-5, the 1826 is N-3...