What happened to this 1909 VDB??

As you can see from the pic below, the obverse actually seems well struck. Whereas, the reverse looks to have very bloated devices. If this was unintended and occurred at the Mint, what sort of issue did the die have? If it was PMD, then I would have thought that the obverse would have been squished and flattened, as the reverse devices were flattened. And, those reverse devices appear to be in equal or higher relief height compared to other reverse examples.

Thanks in advance!

 

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My first guess is some kind of tooling...but I honestly don't know.

 

You shouldn't compare the appearance of the obverse devices to those on the reverse because the dies aren't necessarily replaced at the same time or used for the same amount of time.

Chris

 

It could be tooling though the reverse seems to be "pulled" out, instead of pushed in with the obverse seemingly unaffected.

It's as if a planchet was stuck in the reverse die, and it kept striking coins, causing the planchet to creep into the devices and deteriorate the reverse die's devices. Then after the stuck planchet falls out, it struck this coin. Of course, that's all speculation and may not actually result in such a thing.

 

Looks counterfeit.

The reverse looks wrong. The obverse looks correct, but the reverse looks completely wrong.

 

Yeah, I guess it could be a counterfeit.

The appearance is very matte, too, but not a proof given the lack of die markers.

The reverse devices are too thick and high in relief like a 1921 Peace dollar.

I'll submit it to NGC unless someone is positive that it's a counterfeit.

I'm trying to find this sort of effect on other coins but nothing so far...

 

looks fake

 

As mentioned, the reverse is Fake.

I haven't seen this particular one before,
but it's not surprising.

 

Could it be a pattern coin for a higher relief reverse that was thrown into the circ pile?

It's just strange that someone would go through the trouble of making a 1909 VDB that isn't an S mint.

 

I have to agree .
Those wheat stalks are total wrong .

They look way to small ..

 

iPen - you'd be surprised how many
common coins have been counterfeited.

It's not a Pattern coin, or pattern reverse die.

 

I agree that it wouldn't seem like a candidate that I would suspect, but the detail is all wrong. It's not genuine, that much I can tell you.

 

I know I'm a noob, but the V.D.B. looks pushed off to one side.

 

Counterfeit. Looks like the reverse is a cap, like the Admiral Bird, Lindberg or Lord's Prayer ones from the 1930's.

 

It is on a genuine V.D.B. as well, Kentucky

 

The V.D.B. looks too far to the left and the reverse looks off in all aspects to me.

 

So, it's on a genuine V.D.B. but the reverse looks odd...

 

that reverse is not real

the V.D.B. is off center just as it would be on a real specimen

 

I am an old collector with a fairly recent renewed vigor in the hobby. All the counterfeiting that we as collectors have to sort through these days angers me on many levels..... But I simply have to ask. What would one gain by counterfeiting a relatively common date like this one? If putting this much effort in creating a counterfeit, why would they not add the "S" mintmark?

 

From your first post to this thread.

From your second post to this thread.

And in your third post to this thread you're telling another member (@Kentucky) it's genuine?
@mikenoodle please explain how this is possible. This coin is a fake, fraud, forgery, counterfeit, rotten or no good. O matter what.