What are this?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by matchmaker, Sep 26, 2021.

  1. matchmaker

    matchmaker Senior Member

    Does anyone happen to know what this coin is exactly and what its approximate value is? Would greatly appreciate that help.
     

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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Follis of Heraclius.

    Heraclius, AE Follis, Cyzicus. DN hRACLI PERP AVG, plumed-helmeted, cuirassed bust facing, short beard, holding cross and shield / Large M, ANNO to left, cross above, regnal year (only I, II, III or IIII) to right, officina letter A or B below, mintmark KYZ. SB 839, MIB 184
     
  4. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    It's in pretty good condition - probably worth $60-100. Folles like these are getting increasingly popular with collectors and the prices are going up.
     
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  5. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Could you elaborate a bit on the "like these" part? From this emperor? From this mint? From this time period?

    Or, are you saying that almost all folles are going up?

    I only have one, that was literally given as a freebie at a dealers table at FUN a couple decades ago.
     
  6. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I only started collecting ancients a few years ago and more specifically focused on Byzantine coins in the last year or so. The prices I paid for coins like OPs were affordable for me (~$20) then. Now...They are closer to what @ancient coin hunter said. Pricing me out of the market.
     
  7. matchmaker

    matchmaker Senior Member

    Thanks a ton furryfrog!
     
  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    No problem. It's a nice follis of Heraclius. Much nicer than my example:
    Heraclius, Follis, Nikomedia.png
     
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  9. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Folles in good condition are going up in price, particularly 6th and 7th century folles of Anastasius, Justin I, Justinian, Justin II, Maurice Tiberius, Focas, Heraclius, etc. Also the popular facing Christ folles of the 10th and 11th centuries. Both the fixed price dealers (m-a shops, Vcoins, etc.) and auctions are fetching higher prices. It's the same sort of appreciation we are seeing in Roman coins right now as Covid seems to have introduced a flood of new, well-heeled collectors focused on buying ancients online.
     
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    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

  11. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

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  12. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    The Phocas coin if I remember correctly cost me $130 at auction. The starting price was $35 and it got bid up significantly.
     
  13. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Yikes. Too rich for my blood. But I can see why.
     
  14. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    I agree with @furryfrog02 . It looks like a Heraclius 40 nummus follis, regnal year 2, Cyzicus mint, officina B/beta. However, I'm not an expert, regarding authentication or attribution.
    Because you asked about the approximate value, I will say the following. Note that I am not an expert.
    It depends on whether you sell to an internet dealer, or whether you sell it yourself on the internet via ebay or CoinTalk, and how quickly you want to sell it. If a dealer buys the coin, then the dealer would probably turn around and sell the coin for twice what he/she paid you for it, in order to make a profit, and to pay for shipping and labor.
    The Good : The eyes, nose, and mouth are still there. The reverse looks pretty good. The cross on the obverse is clear. On the reverse, the big "M", the mint, and the officina "B" are clear.
    The Bad : The inscription/legend on the obverse is not very readable, because it's mostly not there. It has some large scratches on the obverse. There doesn't seem to be much patina on the obverse.
    I'm guessing, that a dealer would sell it for approximately $50. Therefore, I'm guessing, that a dealer may pay you approximately $25 for it.
    Unless it's some sort of rarity. I'm not an expert on Heraclius folles. It could be a rarity in some way, like a rare mint, or a rare officina, or because of some other particular thing. If it's a rarity, then it could be worth a lot more.
    Perhaps, someone who is more knowledgeable about Heraclius folles than I am, and who knows more about possible rarities, will say something about the value of this coin.
     
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  15. BenSi

    BenSi Well-Known Member

    Good place to post this but this follis has me perplexed. Help would be appreciated.

    I am thinking Heraclius, the mint mark of the back is long but cluttered. the M is barely viable 33mm 12.1gm Imitation or untalented mint.

    Seleucia is a guess.

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