Has this coin been cleaned? I've never seen a graded coin with scratching like this. http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1207&lotIdNo=44013
Experience! BUT, notice how the die scratches STOP at the base of Kennedy's Bust and continue on, on the other side of the bust?
One set of lines is raised above the surface because scratches were on the die, the other set is carved into the coin because something harsh was used to scratch the surface. I see a difference with proper magnification.
Certified Morgan dollars can be found in almost every year of the series with die polishing on some. Clashes were very common. The die polish lines might affect eye appeal for some collectors, but it won't affect the grade. Chris
I really like this photo found on another forum, both field and device affected... http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=130615
Not the question I asked. I asked you what is going on with that quarter. In other words, in your opinion do you think all of those lines are die polish lines ? Yes, or no. And I'll ask the same question about those lines on the devices in the other pic you posted.
They're some sort of die inflicted lines. You and I already covered your version of die polishing. I'm no glutton for punishment. Until you stop with the hot air on this topic and adjust your age-old perspective to be more open-minded, we really don't have to dive into this discussion, again. My grandpa, rest his soul, used to tell the same jokes over and over again, after a certain age. I didn't mind that type of repetitiveness. Do you have any jokes you'd like to tell over and over? http://www.cointalk.com/threads/1960-d-d-error-and-guess-the-grade-by-segs.243649/ Never say never.
I have an open mind, do you ? If you did you would readily recognize the difference between what is physically possible and what is not physically possible, once you understand all the facts. I do understand the facts. Not every body else does, so I try to make them aware of them. And yes, that often needs to be repeated. Especially when they fail to learn them the first time
Why don't you just enter these topics and simply state what you think the lines are. Put a solid, concrete definition to your vague, repetitive opinion. I have no problem keeping an open mind towards the polishing process. In my view, it can include your wheel and a harsh abrasive tool or two. I can let those fall under the category of polishing and move on, can you? Let's get some solid answers, instead of repetitive undermining of something you are unwilling to define or attest to, with a specific term. Lines that are not the result of a harsh cleaning do show up on the devices, from time to time. That includes mint sealed coins. Instead of splitting hairs over who calls them part of the die polishing process, come up with a clear terminology for the various lines that prompt you to enter these topics and simply put that terminology to work. This way, Volante can write "Die polish lines" under one photo and you can pop in under another photo and provide your definition of what we're looking at... GDJMSP said: Die ______ lines (fill in the blank). http://www.cointalk.com/threads/die-polish-lines.153421/ The more I look for these sort of details, the more I gravitate to the conclusion that you might be wrong. http://www.cointalk.com/threads/die-polish-lines.153421/ I disagree. It does not look like a whizzed coin to me.
Apparently you still don't get it. There are several things that can cause raised lines on a coin. Die polish lines, die scratches, tool marks on a die - all of those cause raised lines on a coin. But they are all 3 separate and distinct things, so it would be incorrect to just lump them together and call them all die polish lines. Would it not be ? Yes or no ? There are also other things that can cause raised lines on a coin, When a coin scratched that causes an incuse line on the coin. But that incuse line is right alongside an raised line as well. That is a fact, an indisputable fact. And the reason it is indisputable is because the metal displaced by the scratch has to go someplace - it does not just disappear. And the place it goes is into a raised line right alongside the incuse line. Now when this started I asked what you thought was going on with the quarter you posted. In other words I wanted to know if you thought those were all die polish lines or not. You've still never answered that question. Why not ? Well I suspect you have not answered because you already know what I will say, that those are not all die polish lines on that coin. And apparently you are not willing to agree with what I will say. That's fine by me. You are more than welcome to disagree. But there are others who read this forum who just might like to really learn something, to understand that there not all raised lines on a coin are caused by die polish lines, that there are other causes as well.
Title of topic states scratches. I've added a photo with scratches. Stop playing the role of a senile old man ranting over die polish lines in every related topic. I noticed that throughout several topics, more than a handful of individuals see something interesting and grapple with your repetitive and vague opinion on what is actually displayed. No, not to me, I can understand that polishing a die can mean altering its surface with a variety of tools (could easily represent the same alteration procedure). No, I thought they were die surface scratches (as per topic) that occurred as part of the die polishing or surface alteration process (could easily represent the same alteration procedure). In my opinion, none of the photos in this topic represent your repetitive whizzed coin/metal displacement rants. No, I do not agree with you on this topic. As far as this particular topic is concerned, I suggest that those looking to learn something, read some of the comments of the individuals that question your repetitive rant in various related topics. They should also focus on comments of individuals who provide photos of their coins and notice that there is more going on than whizzed coin/metal displacement. This should continue until you provide some of your own comparison photos to prove your whizzed theories and until you start stating what each set of scratches is called. Until then, I'm happy to leave them under the die polish/alteration category. For the record, I wasn't looking to continue this polishing chat with you. We've already covered it in other topics. I'm happy to show and address die scratches in this topic. Plenty of people on this forum have called you out over your topic related statements. See if any of them want to continue this with you. I'm tired, uninspired and unconvinced by your weak evidence, repetitive statements and a lack of suggested proper terminology, following every new, vague, topic related lecture.
"D) The die finishing lines on this coin are extensive, peculiar and fascinating. Indeed, they are deep, varying in dimensions, and very entertaining. A glass with at least ten times magnification is needed to thoroughly enjoy them, though many are apparent at three times magnification. When metal brushes and other tools impart lines in the dies, or sandpaper-like patches, raised lines and bumps appear on the coin that is struck with such dies. There are areas on the coin that indicate that portions of the dies were unusually treated such that patches of small, raised shapes resulted. On this coin, there are an astonishingly large number of die finishing lines, of varying lengths, densities and angles. In some areas, the die finishing lines are somewhat parallel and are spread apart. In other areas, they are close together or even lumped. Many die finishing lines on this coin crisscross. Some die striations are much higher than others (thus in greater relief); some are wider; some are shorter. Yes, there are many die finishing lines on a large number of Proof Three Cent Silvers and on an even larger number of business strikes. Indeed, die finishing lines are often found on Three Cent Silvers. The groups, patterns, shapes, and variations of die finishing lines and other die treatment evident on this coin, however, are dramatically different, especially when the overall fabric of the coin is contemplated. I cannot fully explain the fabric of the Eliasberg 1851 Three Cent Silver. There are factors that cannot be articulated. The individual or group that polished and otherwise treated the dies used to make this coin seemed to have had a great deal of fun. Areas on the dies corresponding to portions of the coin were given different treatments, including differences of degree and differences ‘in kind.’ The result is very cool." http://www.coinweek.com/featured-ne...ics-the-most-valuable-three-cent-silver-coin/
