Were Ancient Greek Coinage Overstrikes Uncommon?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by iPen, May 10, 2016.

  1. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    I recently viewed an auction listing for an Ancient Greek coin, which appears to have been overstruck (image and link below). I'm unsure of what two coins they were, as I'm not an Ancient coin buff. But, as an aside, I am curious as to what other design was on the obverse - the listing describes the two coin designs as being a "Die of Kydonia Diobol overstruck on a coin from Sikyon". The incuse reverse square design reminded me of the Aegina turtle stater coins, so that's what sparked my interest in this, besides the overstrike, of course.

    Anyway, I could imagine silver being of relative scarcity and of much greater real value then than it is today. So, perhaps silver coins were "recycled" without melting them, and struck over the old designs? Or, maybe it's an Ancient form of counterstamping? Was this a more common practice than it is in modern times (which is usually due to Mint error than intentional strikes), or generally frowned upon by Ancient Greeks, who may have wanted to advertise their statehood's power and not look "cheap"?

    Thanks in advance!

    [​IMG]

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/SOL-Kreta-K...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
     
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Overstriking was in fact quite common in the ancient Greek world, for various reasons. For an excellent overview, I recommend Overstruck Greek Coins, Studies in Greek Chronology and Monetary Theory, by David MacDonald. Check out Amazon for used copes as low as $17.
     
  5. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    It would have took an 11 hours by car including the ferry to get from where the coin was first struck in Sikyon to Cydonia where it was overstruck

    Untitledee.jpg
     
    iPen, Bing, brandon spiegel and 2 others like this.
  6. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Holy schmokes, iPen => man, that is an absolutely fantastic overstrike!!

    I love the under-type and the over-type ... you're a very lucky dude to have such a sweet example (congrats)
     
    Mikey Zee likes this.
  7. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Like Steve, I'm in LOVE with that cool overstruck coin!!!
     
  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Some of us really love overstrkes; others consider them damaged goods. I'm a bit in the middle. I only love them if I can ID both the under and over types. Coins with messy mixes of details are harder to love. Yours is a very nice coin.
     
  9. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I like overstrikes as examples of how older money was repurposed.
    I have one I posted recently and one on the way. I will post it when it arrives. For now my quadrans (Hercules facing right) over uncia (Roma facing left). This overstrike was Roman Republican over Roman Republican and was mentioned in Crawford's RRC.
    Quadrans over Uncia tintinna e51L1008 12.19.15 obv.jpg Quadrans over Uncia tintinna e51L1008 12.19.15 obv rot.jpg
     
  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Here are a few examples of my "repurposed" ancient coins ...

    TROAS, Abydos. Æ23 Countermarked issue
    Circa 4th-3rd century BC
    Diameter: 23 mm
    Weight: 7.98 grams
    Obverse: Turreted bust of Artemis right
    Reverse: ABY, eagle standing right, head left
    Reference: SNG Copenhagen 40 for countermark; SNG Copenhagen 38 and SNG Ashmolean 988-9 for undertype
    Other: 12h … sweet brown patina
    The undertype is a bust of Artemis facing slightly right, wearing mural crown / Eagle standing right, wings displayed

    Troas Abydos AE Counterstamps.jpg


    BOEOTIA, Federal Coinage (Overstrike), Æ18
    Circa 220s BC
    Diameter: 17.5 mm
    Weight: 5.11 grams
    Obverse: Head of Demeter or Kore (Persephone) three-quarter face right, wearing corn-wreath
    Reverse: Poseidon, naked, standing left, resting right foot on rock and leaning on trident; to right, ΒΟΙΩΤ[ΩΝ] downward
    Reference: BCD Boiotia 108 (this coin); HGC 4, 1182. VF, dark brown patina. Overstruck on Æ of Antigonos Gonatas of the type SNG Cop. 1214-1221

    Boeotia Federal Coinage Overstrike.jpg



    Anonymous. Overstruck Æ Triens
    Canusium mint
    206-195 BC
    Diameter: 20 mm
    Weight: 5.88 grams
    Obverse: Helmeted head of Minerva right; four pellets above
    Reverse: Prow right; [CA] to right, four pellets below
    Reference: Crawford 100/3; Sydenham 309c; RBW 450
    Other: 12h … brown patina.
    Overstruck on a “Zeus/man-headed bull” issue of Oiniadai, Akarnania (cf. BCD Akarnania 345-8)

    Anonymous Overstruck AE Triens.jpg


    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  11. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Love this so much!!
     
  12. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    Now I'm thinking this: combine your two favorite coins of a given ancient civilization, and go on a treasure hunt to find them over-struck! For me, it would be an Aegina turtle stater with... that dove one (?). Not sure which one, or if they'd ever be over-struck with each other. But, seeing as they weren't as uncommon as I thought, maybe it's a possibility.

    Maybe you'd even be able to find your two favorite coins from two different civilizations across various times with an over-strike - perhaps it'd be a counter-stamping. Now I'm wondering if Alexander the Great had native coins counter-stamped with his image on his conquered states' coins! The possibilities are endless, though the probabilities are (probably) less.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page