Ok. So, if yall havent figured it out yet, I usually come with questions where do not understand, am looking for some type of clarification or I just see something weird. This is in yhe latter category. I am still searching through my box of pennies bought a month ago and i found this. At first glance, I just assumed that it was extremely heavy PMD and was just curious to the year, so, under the microscope it went. Then I saw a faint trace of some consecutive letters. I thought, ok, let me see what this is about. While turning it around under the scope i heard a scraping noise. Where did that come from? I looked a little closer. It seems there is "something" stuck to the obverse side. I used my finger and found that i could partially lift it. What i saw underneath was truly cool. Aspects of whatever this is stuck to the coin is imprinted on the coin, and details of the coin are not so clear. Also, its shiny underneath. Not like all over th surface brand new coin shiny, but more like coppery highlights. Should i remove whatever this is from the surface? Is it possible this coin was struck with this barrier in place at the time?? Thus cementing it to the coin and distorting the details? Or is this something applied later that would eat at the surface?? It weighs 3.3 grams. What do u think? Whatever it is that is attached to the coin has been on there a very long time. I would have to literally have to peel it off like a sticker. I believe the 5th and 6th (if what i see uploads the same) pictures are the ones where i lifted the thingy(not sure what it is lol) from the surface of the coin.
Unfortunate for you, we're not detectives, we just collect these things. But that didn't happen at the Mint, so that narrows it down some.
so i should peel it of to get a better look? And how do you know it is something that came after? not challengfing you..just picking your brain is all
Because we're familiar with the stages in the minting process is probably the easiest way to answer it. I can't imagine what would do that in the process. But that's good you asked, Kristine. Always ask when you think you need it. That's the best I think I can explain it, though.
The wear condition makes it not worth messing with. It could be epoxy. It could be hardened glue. It could be a lot of other hardened substances. One thing is for certain: you can’t hurt it any worse than it already is. You be careful experimenting with that thing. I don’t think it is radioactive.
lol i am gonna peel it off and take some pics. its wild to see non coin features impressed onto a coin i love weird stuff
Also too. I ask because of what yall call strike through errors. So if let say an object was on a blank planchet and the die strikes it , it can leave an impression on the coin? Even something like fabric? But what happens next? Does the object stick to the die and mutliple coins have that? Or does it stick to the coin where it eventually falls off? I know this might seem irrelevant, but these are things I am curious about. The definition states a strike through is basically some type of object coming in between the blank and the die. And it leaves an impression on the coin Ok. I get that. Hence the reason i inquired on here. But during the minting process doesnt strike throughs and strike throughs with retained (...) exist? Not saying thats what i have here. But these strike throughs do occur? Rt? I guess thats why i wanted to pick your brain. Cuz i wasnt understanding how you could say it was because you knew the minting process better. Like what in your knowledge would logically disprove that this could happen? And why would u say whats underneath is pmd but a strike through that is unrecognizable is not? I am just trying to figure out how this all comes into play as far as different errors. I still am having trouble with MD and DD. No matter how many times i read the definition or know exactly how each is created, in some instances, esp on Variety Vista, i cant see why this coin gets DD cause its so miniscule on their example that it doesnt leave enough to get a full designation in my opinion. Is that why they have alot listed on VV that is not listed in the CPG? When I come across weird things it gets my mind thinking of other things and the logistics and applications of similiar subjects. I guess maybe eventually i will vet it but there is alot of confusion on what is considered and why and what is not and how to identify each with certainty. I am just not able to wrap my head around it.
Now I understand a little better. I read Kristine's posts backwards. Reading this post: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/i-peeled-it-off.393914/ first had me confused. Appears to have been some type of glue that came loose with age, thus you were able to peel it off. Just for your educational experience, you may wish the soak the coin in acetone over night and see if the rest of the reside comes off clean.
@Kristine Garrant I am still searching through my box of pennies bought a month ago and i found this. At first glance, I just assumed that it was extremely heavy PMD and was just curious to the year, so, under the microscope it went. Then I saw a faint trace of some consecutive letters. I thought, ok, let me see what this is about. While turning it around under the scope i heard a scraping noise. Where did that come from? I looked a little closer. It seems there is "something" stuck to the obverse side. I used my finger and found that i could partially lift it. What i saw underneath was truly cool. 1. When you look at a coin as this, you should be able to tell right off there is something RAISED ON ITS SURFACE that is not the color of the coin. THEREFORE, it is 99% something that was not on the coin when it was struck. Aspects of whatever this is stuck to the coin is imprinted on the coin, and details of the coin are not so clear. Also, its shiny underneath. Not like all over th surface brand new coin shiny, but more like coppery highlights. Should i remove whatever this is from the surface? Is it possible this coin was struck with this barrier in place at the time?? NO! Thus cementing it to the coin and distorting the details? Or is this something applied later that would eat at the surface?? [Some things can eat at the surface over time.] It weighs 3.3 grams. What do u think? Whatever it is that is attached to the coin has been on there a very long time. I would have to literally have to peel it off like a sticker. @Kristine Garrant, posted: Also too. I ask because of what yall call strike through errors. So if let say an object was on a blank planchet and the die strikes it , it can leave an impression on the coin? [YES, INTO THE SURFACE of the coin and not on top of it.] Even something like fabric? [Yes, into the surface and often it sticks to the coin.] But what happens next? Does the object stick to the die and mutliple coins have that? [Yes, SOMETIMES.] Or does it stick to the coin where it eventually falls off? [Yes, SOMETIMES] I know this might seem irrelevant, but these are things I am curious about. The definition states a strike through is basically some type of object coming in between the blank and the die. And it leaves an impression [INTO] on the coin Ok. I get that. Hence the reason i inquired on here. But during the minting process doesnt strike throughs and strike throughs with retained (...) exist? [already answered above].
Not a strike through as explained above. Most likely glue or possibly nail polish. Since it's PMD, go ahead and peel it off if you want or try an acetone soak. IMO, I would just toss it into the spender pile and not waste any more time on it.
