Washington part blank coin one side stamped??

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by dahulk, Apr 16, 2007.

  1. dahulk

    dahulk New Member

    I got this coin and was wondering if there are others out there like it? I got it about 2 weeks ago and have been watching auctions and forums but I don't see anybody else finding a coin like this... My coin is only stampded on one side, it has washingtons face side completly fine but the other side where liberty is supposed to be is missing and blank... just like the blank "planchet" I think they are called?? It does have edge letterring and looks like its in good condition, but they missed a side?? Is this possible?
     
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  3. dahulk

    dahulk New Member

    I can take pictures if that helps.... how do I post them??
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Howdy dahulk - Welcome to the Forum !!

    Yes, it is possible. It is also possible that the coin has been intentionally altered. So if you can, please post pics. This is how - Click Here
     
  5. dahulk

    dahulk New Member

    here is a pic
     

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  6. n_sandler4

    n_sandler4 Paul

    I can't tell from your picture, but if this coin has not been tampered with, it is very valuable...Not many of this type of error have been found....I can't really give you an estimate on value, but I can tell you that more common errors have been selling for $1,000+++ I hope it's real!
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    If I had to guess based on that pic I'd say it was a manufactured error - a fake. It looks like two coins cut in half have been glued together.

    Can you take a couple more pics of just the edge, in more than one place if possible. This would help determine if my suspicions are correct.
     
  8. dahulk

    dahulk New Member

    How do I tell??? I can't tell and I see it in person... I'm not about to just get up on my soapbox and proclaim it authentic as I was not the finder out of the roll, I puchased it for a small premium (about the same as a smooth edge) and have been wondering ever since with no way to prove it one way or the other... needless to say it is interestesting!!
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Look at the coin's edge, in your pic it appears as if it is all copper colored on one side and all brassy colored on the other side. Does it look this way all the way around the coin ? If it does, then I would say it is a fake. Also look at the edge design, does it look like either the top half or the bottom half of the letters, or some of them, are missing ?
     
  10. n_sandler4

    n_sandler4 Paul

    I would suggest that you send it off to a grading company to get it authenticated. Whatever you do, don't clean it and make sure you hold it by the edges =)
     
  11. n_sandler4

    n_sandler4 Paul

    Doug, I see what your saying about the copper and brass colored bands on the edge. However, I feel I must state the fact that some of the Philly coins show these two colors. I will agree with you though that this coin does seem to have a bit of a dramatic color difference on its edge. Either way, could you please explain how this would have been faked, because I don't exactly know why they'd glue two coins together...couldn't they just grind the obverse and reverse off?
     
  12. dahulk

    dahulk New Member

    It has a copper "core" with brass on both sides... due to the angle of the photo the other side of brass is not visible,... It is sandwiched as normal ... brass, copper, brass..
     
  13. dahulk

    dahulk New Member

    no, the edge lettering is all centered, and intact.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah they could grind it off, but be kind of hard to leave the rim don't ya think. And if they ground off one side the coin woulld be underweight considerably.

    I could easy be wrong, but I could easy be right. All I have to go on is the pic - that's why I asked for more.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Fair enough, then you need to get it certified - I would suggest NGC.
     
  16. dahulk

    dahulk New Member

    edge

    edge lettering pic of the coin
     

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  17. dahulk

    dahulk New Member

    what else would be helpful to help figure it out? Any other picture angles that would be tell-tale?
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    While a picture can often determine that a coin is definitely a fake, a picture can never determine that a coin is definitely genuine. Only an in hand exam by an expert can do that. That's why you need to have the coin certified. If and when it is certified as genuine you may well have a quite valuable find there. Until then, people will suspect it is not genuine.
     
  19. dahulk

    dahulk New Member

    gotcha... I guess I just figured something like that would be an easy yea-or-nea type of thing.... Assuming it is genuine how would this type of error occur? It seems odd to me that a coin could get stamped without the bottom stamper in place?
     
  20. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Look at the first picture. See that really strong rim on the blank side? That tells me this piece is a fake. The only way to have a coin with one blank side whould be if two planchets entered the press at the same time. And if that happened there would NOT be a strong rim on that side. This coin appears to have had the central area inside the rim milled away. You might check the weight to see if it has ben lessened.
     
  21. dahulk

    dahulk New Member

    I can't tell on weight, it feels normal, I tried putting together a balance weight as indicated by another thread on checking authenticity of smooth rim dollars. and it balances very easy with another dollar... I guess the only thing I can do is fork over the money to have it graded and authenticated... Thanks for the input! It is appreciated! (even if its not what I want to hear!! :) )
     
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