Very nice and rare coin with overprint

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  1. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    It is very good and rare coin overprinted I just posted here for your enjoyment and aesthetic pleasure.;)


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  3. Kentucky

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    What is it overprinted with? Are you refering to the punch mark?
     
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  4. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    I mean an additional stamp or counter stamp or punch mark on this coin as a horse in a circle, you see it.
     
  5. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    That's what I thought...very interesting. What does the obverse of the coin look like? I'm sure someone will pop up with some information.
     
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  7. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Nice coin, appears to be a Greek, although the eagle looks Egyptian.
     
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  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Size and weight?
     
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  11. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Yes, you have it correct. It's a Seleukid coin from the usurper Achaios. Is that a typo on the coin size or is it really 10mm? That's mighty small for a 4.39gm coin.

    Here's a similar coin from CNG's archives (different countermark)

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    316, Lot: 151. Estimate $100.
    Sold for $70. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.

    SELEUKID KINGS of SYRIA. Achaios. Usurper, 220-214 BC. Æ (15mm, 3.13 g, 12h). Sardes mint. Laureate head of Apollo right / Eagle standing right, holding wreath in talons (obscured by countermark of tripod within circular punch). SC 956; HGC 9, 436. Good Fine, green patina with patches of red, light cleaning scratches.
     
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  12. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    TIF, i again tomorrow and weigh, and the length of it is 10 m, and 6.5 m extension is oval. That's right, and my horse on countermark of tripod your example, but I found my horse and once ate no found already forgot.....
     
  13. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    If I'm understanding correctly, it is 16.5 mm at its widest point? That makes more sense :)
     
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  15. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow, paschka => I love the horse counter-mark!! (it's awesome)

    I admit that it took me a few seconds to tilt my head and figure-out the horse-head ... but then all of a sudden "there it was" (very cool)
     
  16. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    I wonder why the kingdom of the Seleucids made counter marks on the coins, well, of course it is not for collectors of coins in the 21st century?:rolleyes:
     
  17. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    The countermarks were likely made by some other culture/city, presumably to mark it as acceptable for trade within their region (in lieu of or in addition to their local coinage).
     
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  18. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    and someone on my coin made countermarks? Carthage?
     
  19. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I don't know much about specific countermarks and their issuers. Seleucids used (perhaps among other things) an anchor countermark when stampiing non-Seleucid coins. Many have been shown on CoinTalk. Of course, we wouldn't expect an anchor countermark on a Seleucid coin :)

    There's a new book which may have the answer but it is not available for digital (free) viewing:

    http://www.seleukidempire.org/SCpart1.html

    It has an appendix of countermarks.

    While browsing for an answer to your horse head question I came across another coin like yours, with the same countermark:

    http://coinproject.com/coin_detail.php?coin=207225
     
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  20. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    TIF, Thank you for a lot of new scientific knowledge, that you gave me, you are a professional - numismatist. Your colleagues are also very smart numismatists. I was just lucky that I found this forum.
     
  21. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Very cool coin @paschka !!!!


    I just have two modest examples of countermarks; one of Antigonos with Pan and another from the time of Cleopatra and Anthony and countermarked by their authority---although I still can't make out the image(s) represented.
    antigonos athena.JPG antigonos pan.JPG cleo countermark.jpg
     
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