Verdigris. . . agony

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Todd Volker, Feb 5, 2009.

  1. Todd Volker

    Todd Volker Member

    I've got a 1906 Indian Head cent I've always liked because it had the nicest detail of any I have. It's been a while since I looked at it and now it's coated green.

    What should I do?
     
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  3. andy21us

    andy21us Coin Hoarder

    How have you been storing the coin and can you post a pic of it?
     
  4. Todd Volker

    Todd Volker Member

    It's been just stored loosely, on its own in a wood jewelry box with a bunch of odds and ends.

    I don't have a digital camera, so a photo can't be done. It is a thin buildup all over.
     
  5. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    I wonder if it was stored in PVC at one time, or if there's any PVC in the container you're storing it in. If so, acetone will take it off, but the surface will have suffered some damage.
     
  6. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    If the copper truly has oxidized, and copper has formed, there is another thread going on something called, like, Verdi-B-Gone or something. Perhaps that product can help you.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    And that's the problem. Wood is harmful to coins, especially copper. And the odds and ends in there with it - just the humidity in the air is enough to cause a chemical reaction between copper and other substances.
     
  8. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    The damage has been done.
    It is now a space filler.
     
  9. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    Absolutely not true. If that coin has just started to turn green, it is more than likely just a coating or patina and should, or might, come right off with Acetone or ever just distilled water. If not and you don't really care and the Acetone does not work, try distilled water and baking soda solution. Soak in that and gently, very gently rub with that solution and rinse with distilled water.
    First start with soaking in the distilled water for a few days. Then if nothing, try the Acetone. Last resort is the water/baking soda.
    In way to many instances people blurt out Verdigris without knowing what it is on your coin. Or they say PVC and again have no idea of what it may be.
    Copper piping outdoors almost always turns green. In some areas of the country this happens faster than in other places. Coins in wood boxes that have absorbed moisture also give it off.
    Copper, Cu, usually combines with Oxygen, O to form Cu2O. this in turn combines with moisture, H OH, known as hydrogen Hydroxide or water, and Carbon Dioxide, CO2 to form [CuCO3-Cu(OH)2] or Copper Carbonate a dull greenish layer or patina.
    That sounds like your coin.
     
  10. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    It's most likely that the green is some sort of copper compound produced when elements and compounds in the environment react with the copper in the coin.
    I don't know of any way to undo the reaction, i.e., remove the environmental compounds and leave the copper behind in its original state.
    Therefore removing the "green" WILL take away some of the copper from the coin.
    Thus the coin's surfaces are no longer original.
    That's why I stated that the damage has been done.
    The "space filler" statement may have been a bit harsh, but a change HAS occurred.
     
  11. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    what if there is an is box outside the wood and an airtite in between the wood and the coin. ?
     
  12. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    I have a roll of high grade Lincolns that are so green, it almost appears as if they were green ceramic coated. I plan on ebaying them ( accuratly described of course ).

    I have tried acetone on a cpl, nothing. A HARD green coating like I have never seen before. These were all pulled from the same bag earlier this year.
     
  13. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Why take a chance?
    Go somewhere and spend $5-10 for a hard plastic container.

    A Tupperware-type container would be nice if you could be sure of no PVC.
     
  14. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    yes the hard green coating fails even with biox. poor coins i have 50 great ones that cant be rescued :(
     
  15. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    its not about taking chances. the us mint ships their gold coins that way and i am just trying to figure it out :)
     
  16. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Gold is a different story (sort of).
    Gold is VERY resistant to change. It's close to inert to most things.
    The "sort of" part arises because most (all?) gold coins are alloyed with copper, and the copper can be attacked by all the usual stuff.
     
  17. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    and it does ;) i have gold coins that caught verdigris ;)
     
  18. troublesbrewin

    troublesbrewin remember rotary phones?

    OK, does that make it a STD, Storage Transmitted Disease?? :rolleyes:
     
  19. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    no its a moisture driven disease. in thoery everything inside the is box is protected so the wood is also protected ( for humidity u needdehumidifer and a strong one at that )
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The mint uses those wood display cases for one reason - people like to buy pretty things. And the wood cases are gorgeous and make beautiful displays.

    But are they good for the coins ? Absolutely not. But when you are in the business of selling something you sell them what they want - not what is good for them.
     
  21. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    there we go. now tell me if i have that thing in an is box and if that thing contains a pure gold coin in an airtite is there a danger there.
     
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