Venetian Doge Pietro Gradenigo AR Grosso

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  1. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    I've always had an interest in medieval Italy and specifically the Republic of Venice.

    Venice was originally formed in the late 400's when Roman civilians fled northern Italy to the safety of the marshes on the Italian coast to escape Atilla the Hun's hoards. When the Lombards invaded Italy in the 560's, the Venetians behind their lagoon's were untouchable. On paper the Venetians were subject to the Emperor in Constantinople, but with the loss of the Exarchate of Ravenna in 751 and Imperial priorities focused on holding Anatolia, meant that for the most part Venice was on it's own. Venice was essentially independent from the Byzantines by the 9th century, but still enjoyed good relations with their Roman cousins.

    Being stuck on a few lagoon islands off the coast of Italy made the Venetians good mariners by necessity, and excellent merchants by extension. Venice had a prosperous trading agreement with the Byzantines which only improved with Byzantine desperation for naval forces during the reign of Alexius I Komnenos. Unfortunately, Venetian-Byzantine relations were permanently soured due to the Venetian involvement in the Fourth Crusade in 1204, which saw the Byzantine Empire temporally broken up into Latin kingdoms. Talk about stabbing your dad in the back!

    By the time Pietro Gradengo became Doge(Dux) of Venice in 1289, the Byzantines were so ticked off at the Venetians that they granted the Italian city-state of Genoa exclusive trading privileges at Venetian expense. Suffice it to say, this action led open warfare between the two merchant powers that would drag on for about a century and a half. One of the more severe Venetian defeats of the wars occurred under Pietro at the Battle of Curzola on September 8th 1298, where dozens of Venetian ships were lost along with thousands of men. In addition to the disastrous war with Genoa, Pietro also effectively turned Venice into an oligarchy with his declaration that only sons born to current members of the ruling council could hold their father's positions. To make matters worse for poor Pietro, he got himself and the entire Republic excommunicated by the pope for starting a war with the Papal states over control of a city in northern Italy. Eventually, Pietro embraced the sweet relief of death in 1311, much to the celebration of the Venetians.

    As for the Republic of Venice; it would reach it's zenith in the late 1400's and early 1500's, then slowly fade into oblivion until a certain Napoleon Bonaparte would finally abolish it in 1797. In the end though it was the rise of Spain and Portugal with their New World Colonies, rich in silver and spices, that would render Venice irrelevant and be the death blow to the Merchant Republic. A city that resisted Attila was eventually conquered by American Silver and Spice!


    One perk for us numismatists is that Venice, by virtue of being a mercantile powerhouse, minted lots of coins. Finding a decent Grosso for under $100 isn't hard, and the coins have a pleasing art style considering the period they were minted in.



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    Obverse
    Doge (duke) stands facing receiving banner from patron saint St. Mark.
    Lettering: . PE • GRADONICO •

    Reverse
    Facing figure of Nimbate Jesus Christ Pantocrator, enthroned, IC XC field to the left and right.
    Lettering: IC / XC

    A map fo the major powers in the Mediterranean circa 1300 CE.
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    A rare depiction of Doge Pietro
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    Feel free to post any relevant coins!
     
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  3. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Great coin and informative write-up! A grosso is still missing from my collection, but here is a soldino, effectively a quarter grosso first introduced in 1332 AD:

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    Italy, Republic of Venice, under Giovanni Dolfin (57th Doge), AR soldino (slightly clipped), 1356-1361 AD. Obv: +IOh’S DELPhYNO DVx; kneeling doge holding banner l., . Rev: + S MARCVS VENETI; lion of St. Marc with banner l.; in field l., S. 14mm, 0.43g. Ref: MEC 12, 1164–1165.
     
  4. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I too have always had a thing for Venice. I would highly suggest John Julius Norwich's book on the city, as well as his 3 part series on Byzantium, (Venice and Byzantium are highly interrelated).
     
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  5. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Magnus Maximus, Orielensis and Medoraman, for a terrific thread! ...Yep, as a 'popular' historian (of the highest calibre), Norwich was the rightful successor of Thomas B. Costain (kings of England). Norwich also did a good one on the Normans in Sicily.
    ...Um, here's my holed one of Pietro Ziani (1205-1229), the successor of Dandolo, who initiated the type. ...From the proceeds of the Fourth Crusade. The Byzantine influence is All Over this. The Venetians' ongoing relationship with Byzantium was indeed as fraught as it gets. From the initial sack of Constantinople, the Venetians netted the relics of St. Mark, who summarily became the patron saint of the city. (That's him on the right: '.S. M. VENETI'.) 'Appropriated,' along with the quasi-ikonic coin motifs, in the service of a different communion. Then, when the last Latin emperor, Baldwin II, had to dispose of the rest of Constantinople's relics, he initialy pawned them to Venice. ...Louis IX eventually bought them, including the Crown of Thorns, for which he built the Sainte-Chappelle. COINS, VENICE, P. ZIANI, GROSSO.jpg
     
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  6. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...Well, okay, then I had to get one of Jacopo Tiepelo (1229-1249), the doge during Jean de Brienne's tenure as regent of Baldwin II (his son-in-law) and de jure Latin emperor. With apologies for the pics.... --But No, not to scare people; Magnus Maximus is absolutely right about the affordability of Really Solid examples from all but the first couple of doges. COINS, VENICE, IAC. TIEPOLO, OBV..JPG COINS, VENICE, IAC. TIEPOLO, REV..JPG
     
  7. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...Doh, here's a numismatic reference for this stuff --conspicuously missing any kind of comprehensive listing, but no less solid. Recommended to me by the published numismatist, Alan DeShazo.
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  8. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Those are scone great coins @Magnus Maximus @Orielensis and @+VGO.DVCKS. I think the grosso of Venice might be the most iconic silver coin of the medieval period. I have yet to add one to my collection, but do have a mezzanino nuovo.
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    Maybe one of these days I'll get a grosso.
     
  9. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    That one's serious, @TheRed. With the motif of Christ rising from the (already, as such somewhat anachronistically --ya just Think?-- Christian) tomb. @FitzNigel posted a thread on this recently, which I hope you saw. By the 14th century, the Venetian issues start to jettison the neoByzantine motifs, replacing them (along with the legends) with Latin ones. Given which, that coin would be my one reason to branch out into the 14th century for this series.
     
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  10. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Fun write up and beautiful coins

    Here's my Doggos...I mean Doges:
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    Medieval
    Italy, Venice. Antonio Veniero. 1382-1400. AR grosso (21.4 mm, 1.75 g, 4 h). ANTO' • VENERIO • • S • M • VENETI, DVX, doge standing left and St. Mark, nimbate, standing facing, both holding pendant between them; stars flanking / • + • TIBI • LAVS • • 3 • GLORIA •, Christ, nimbate, seated facing on high-backed throne. CNI 40; Biaggi 2855; Papadopoli 3. VF. Rare. Ex: Ares

    Dads telling jokes: my holiest coin
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    Doge Agostino Barbarigo

    ITALY, Venice. 1486-1501. AR Soldino o Marchetto (0.33 gm). LAVS TIBI SOLI, Christ, nimbate, standing facing / AV BAR SMV DVX, St. Mark standing right blessing kneeling Doge. Paolucci, page 53, 7.
     
  11. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    [​IMG] Pietro Gradenigo was the 49th Doge, and Giovanni Soranzo became the 51st Doge after the short reign of Marino Zorzi (c. 1231 – 3 July 1312).
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    Italy, Venice, Giovanni Soranzo, AD 1312-1328, AR Grosso
    Right: IO SVPANTIO SM VENETI, Doge and St. Mark standing facing, holding banner between them DVX going down
    Left: IC - XC, Christ Pantocrator enthroned facing
     
  12. Edessa

    Edessa Well-Known Member

    I will second the recommendation for the book, Zecca. If you ever wanted to learn about the operation of a medieval mint and its moneyers, read this book for the intricate detail of its adventures (and many misadventures).

    Don't for get the humble Piccolo.

    Italy, Venice. Doge Orio Malipiero, AD 1178-1192. BI Piccolo (13mm, 0.25g, 11h). Venice mint. Obv: +AVRIO DVX; Short cross pattee. Rev: +S MARCVS; Short cross pattee. Ref: CNI VII 47; Papadopoli 4; Paolucci 1.

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  13. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @Sulla80, thanks for the complete attribution. (As was conspicuously absent on mine.) Liking the light and toning on your picture a lot. Could almost picture it being backlit by a rose window.
     
  14. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Aaaah, Yes! @Edessa, Finally, a Piccolo! Pre-Dandolo (coolly recently so) at that!
    Always wanted one of these, ideally of Danolo himself, since the grossos are kind of out of reach.
     
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  15. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Thanks @+VGO.DVCKS, this coin has long been a favorite...and perhaps could have more properly identified as
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  16. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Venetian coins are quite fun! I’m happy to pile in (although I think all of mine have been represented already...)

    Med-12-IVen-1192-Enrico Dandolo-D-3625.jpg Italy - Venice
    Enrico Dandolo, r. 1192-1205
    AR Denaro, 13.66 mm x 0.4 grams
    Obv.: +S MARCVS around small cross
    Rev.: +ENRIC DVX around small cross
    Ref.: MEC 12-1004; De Wit 3625

    Med-12-IVen-1205-Pietro Ziani-G-3626.jpg Italy - Venice
    Pietro Zani, r. 1205-1229
    AR Grosso, 19.79 mm, 1.9 grams
    Obv.: [·+·]P·ZIANI· ·S·M.VENETI outside (Z retrograde), D/U/X down banner held between doge and St. Mark facing
    Rev.: [I¯C] X¯C across field, Christ enthroned facing
    Ref.: Similar to De Witt 3626 (guess I need to update this with an MEC Number!)
    My post on this coin here

    Med-12-IVen-1346-Andrea Dandolo-MezN-M-12-1131.jpg Italy - Venice
    Andrea Dandolo, r. 1343-1354 (1346-1353)
    AR Mezzanino Nuovo, 15.52 mm x 0.9 grams
    ANDADVL ·SMVENE DVX. Saint Mark left receiving candle from Doge right. Or in field (unknown mintmaster)
    Rev.: ·XPS·RES VRESIT·. Christ emerging from sepulchre
    Ref.: MEC 12-1131; cf. De Wit 3640
    And my post on this coin here

    My review of Stahl’s book here
     
  17. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    @Ryro - your first coin is actually a Bulgarian imitation of a Venetian grosso! Here is mine:

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    Ivan Alexander, r. 1331-1371 (1340-1365)
    Trnovo mint, AR Groši, 19.63 mm x 1.1 grams
    Obv.: Christ standing in front of throne, both hands raised in benediction. IC - XC on ether side of head. Monograms for Alexander and Tsar on either side of his body above the throne
    Rev.: Ivan Alexander left and son Michael Asen right wearing stemma & holding cross scepters. Long staff between toped with a banner. Monograms for ‘Alexander’ and ‘Tsar’ on either side at top, and monograms for ‘pious’ and ‘Michael’ in the fields
    Ref.: MSCB Bulgaria 9.1.2; De Wit 3905 (as Asen I)
    Ex. Harlan J. Berk
    Note: Type B or C clipped to fit the weight of Type D
     
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  18. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Many thanks, @FitzNigel, for putting all of that in one place! And apologies for the short-term memory loss.
     
  19. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    After reading this thread I couldn't resist adding a Venetian grosso to my collection – it arrived the day before yesterday:

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    Italy, Republic of Venice, under Lorenzo Tiepolo (46th Doge), AR grosso, 1268–1275 AD. Obv: .LA.TEVPL’. DVX .S.M.VENETI.; Mark the Evangelist, standing facing to r. with book, passing banner-staff to doge standing facing to l. Rev: IC-XC; Christ enthroned facing; wedge in lower l. field (next to leg). 21.5mm, 2.09g. Ref: MEC 12, 1041–2.
     
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