Valens AE-3 from Rome mint

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  1. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    I'm not going to lie, I love late Roman coins from the Rome mint. The style for their coins from the 350's to the 390's are some of the best looking ones in the enitire Late Empire. The mint at Rome wasn't always active, as the main mints were near the field armies, but it did produce a large amount of coinage, including a sizable amount of silver and bronze coins.
    @Valentinian has an excellent page on late Roman mint marks and officina. His spreadsheet of mint marks and officina symbols on coins of the Rome mint has inspired me to one day create a complete set for Valentinian, Valens, and Gratian.
    I was about to pass over this lot until I saw the unusual mint mark on the Valens AE. After twenty minutes of reading Warren's page and Wildwinds, I decided to pick it up. That symbol, the (•), is described by Wildwinds to be a leaf.
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    Valens AE-3
    SECURITAS REIPVBLICAE
    SM (•) RT
    Rome mint
    Circ 364-375 CE


    Please post your coins from the Rome mint post 350 CE.

    Warren's excellent page on these.
    http://esty.ancients.info/RomeOfficina/Officina.html
     
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Great job capturing that AE3!

    Most of my collecting is at the other end of the Roman Timeline. However, I happen to have ONE LRB minted in Rome...

    RI Valentinian III 425-455 CE AE 9mm Rome mint Obv-Rev.jpg
    Roman Empire
    Valentinian III 425-455 CE
    AE 9mm
    Rome mint
     
  4. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Nice one you have there.
    Here is a rare Siliqua likely minted during the siege of Rome, from the Rome mint.
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    Honorius AR Siliqua
    407-08 CE
    1.28 grams
    18mm

    And one from Valentinian I
    Circ 365-67 CE
    Valentinian I AR Siliqua
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    Minted during happier times.
     
  5. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Although I have very few that late and most are from other mints, I agree that the Rome mint style is superior.
     
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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I have no opinion if the style of the Rome mint is better or not, I just don't care for LRBs. And, like @Mikey Zee, most of the LRBs I have are from other mints.
     
  7. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Very nice.

    No Rome mint myself.

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    Valens (364 - 378 A.D.)
    Æ3
    O: DN VALENS PF AVG , Pearl - diademed , draped bust right .
    R: SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE,Victory advancing left holding wreath and palm .D over Symbol in left field. F in right field. ASISCV in Exe.
    Siscia
    18mm
    2.6g
    RIC IX Siscia 15(b), xliii
     
  8. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I love seeing the sorts of things that get people excited about collecting. Sadly I have nothing to contribute from the Rome mint after 350.
     
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  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Ten Romans are what the CT s/w allows. I agree Rome did interesting work in this period but suspect a lot of their effort went to medallions and things people like me don't see.
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  10. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I dabble with these and pick up things I find interesting when I see them. Nothing systematic just impulsive buys.

    Valens - AE3 - LEAF

    Obv:– D N VALENS P F AVG, Diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE, Victory advancing left holding wreath & palm branch
    Minted in Rome (//SM leaf RB). 24th August A.D. 367 - 17th November 375
    Reference:– RIC IX 24b

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    Gratian - AE3 - O-F abbreviation for Officina

    Obv:– D N GRATIANVS P F AVG, Pearl diademed draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– GLORIA ROMANORVM, emperor advancing right holding labarum & dragging captive
    Minted in Lugdunum (O | F II // LVGSR)
    Reference(s) – RIC IX Lyons 20c type xvi (b)

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    Gratian - AE3 - Spelling out the officina

    Obv:– D N GRATIANVS P F AVG, Pearl diademed draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– GLORIA ROMANORVM, emperor advancing right holding labarum & dragging captive
    Minted in Rome (R dot QVARTA) A.D. 367 -375
    Reference:– RIC IX Rome 23c, type xii(b)

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  11. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Constantius II - AE3

    Obv:– D N CONSTAN-TIVS P F AVG, Pearl diademed, laureate draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– FEL TEMP REPARATIO, Soldier spearing falling enemy horseman, soldier is bare headed, reaching towards the horseman
    Minted in Rome (//R DOT M DOT Q).
    Reference:– RIC VIII Rome 314 (S)

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    Decentius - Centenionalis

    Obv:- MAG DECENTIVS NOB CAES, Bareheaded cuirassed bust right, B behind
    Rev:- VICT D D N N AVG ET CAES, two Victories standing facing each other, holding between them a wreath inscribed VOT V MVLT X
    Minted in Rome (//RB). Beginning A.D. 351 to August 352
    Reference(s) – RIC 215. Bastien 481 (4 examples cited)

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    Decentius - .Centenionalis

    Obv:- MAG DECENTIVS NOB CAES, Bareheaded cuirassed bust right, B behind
    Rev:- VICT D D N N AVG ET CAES, two Victories standing facing each other, holding between them a wreath inscribed VOT V MVLT X
    Minted in Rome (* //RS)
    Reference(s) – RIC 217

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  12. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Here is a Magnentius RIC says was struck at Rome 30 June 350-Spring 351.

    MagnentiusVRBSROMA.jpg

    22-21 mm. 3.84 grams.
    VRBS ROMA, Roma seated left holding Victory on globe, RQ in exergue.
    RIC VIII Rome 206. "S" [but I'd say "rare"]
    The type appears to be adopted from Nepotian. If Curtis Clay's redating of his reign to 351 is accepted, this RIC date would be pushed later.
     
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  13. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    This bronze of Valens was also struck in Rome. The second officina.
    RIC IX- 17b-24b

    ValensRare     RIC9-Rome.jpg ValensRasecunda     17b-24b.jpg
     
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  14. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    I have several from Rome, but this is my latest.
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    Constans
    Mint: Rome
    337 to 340 AD
    AE 3
    Obvs: DN FL CONSTANS AVG
    Revs: SECVRITAS REIP, Securitas leaning on column holding scepter. RQ
    14x15mm, 1.6g

    I may have a Johannes too, but I will have to post that later.
     
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  15. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Usually don't collect LRB's but I have this one and is special to me as it is the first Roman coin, same mint marks as maridvnvm R.QVARTA but SEQURITAS instead of GLORIA, RIC 23c, LRBC-720 minted 367-375 ROME. 2.1gm. Gratian. 20160821_114738.jpg 20160821_114809.jpg
     
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  16. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Dont collect these LRB's actively, but I sometimes buy a lot just to keep busy.
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  17. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    Valens Rome17a.jpg
    this mintmark is not recorded in RIC for Valens, but is noted for Valentinian I and Gratian.

    Valens
    A.D. 364-375
    18mm 2.1gm
    DN VALENS PF AVG
    SECVRITAS REIPBLICAE Victory advancing left holding wreath and palm branch
    In ex. RTERTIA
    Unlisted officina but see RIC IX Rome 17a&c/24a&c, type xi (a)


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    here's a poorly engraved ivy leaf in the mintmark that looks like three dots

    Valens
    A.D. 367- 375
    19mm 1.9gm
    DN VALEN-S PF AVG; pearl diademed, draped and cuirassed.
    GLORIA RO-MANORVM; advancing right dragging captive with right hand and holding labarum in left.
    In ex. SM(?)RQ
    Cf. RIC IX Rome 23b, type xvi





    the Rome mint often depicts the captives standing (example above and below), versus kneeling like other mints

    Gloria Romanorvm captives.jpg
     

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  18. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Closest I can come:

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  19. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Hey, don't forget to invite Julian-II to this LRB party ...

    Julian II AE3.JPG julian II bull.jpg

     
  20. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Valens 1.jpg
    VALENS
    AE3
    OBVERSE: D N VALENS P F AVG, pearl diademed, draped & cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE, Victory advancing left holding wreath and palm branch, ALE dot in ex.
    Struck at Alexandria, Egypt 364-375 AD
    2.8g, 15mm
    RIC IX 3b/5b

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    VALENS
    AE3
    OBVERSE: DN VALEN-S PF AVG, pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: SECVRITAS-REIPVBLICAE, Victory advancing left holding wreath and palm branch. OF-II across fields. Mintmark CONS
    Struck at Arles, 364-378 AD
    2.4g, 19 mm
    RIC IX Arles 17b, type xiii(b)

    Valens 11.jpg
    VALENS
    AE3
    OBVERSE: D N VALEN-S P F AVG, diademed, draped & cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE, Victory advancing left, holding wreath & palm, * over P to left, M to right, DSISC in ex.
    Struck at Siscia 367-370 AD
    2.49 g, 17 mm
    RIC 15b,xvii
     
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  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    VALENS:

    NOT Rome mint:
    RI Valens AD 364-378 AE Red Follis Siscia Mint Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Valens AD 364-378 AE Red Follis Siscia Mint Obv-Rev.jpg

    NOT Rome mint:
    RI Valens 364-375 CE AE 17mm Reduced Folles Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Valens 364-375 CE AE 17mm Reduced Folles SMAQS Aquilea mint Obv-Rev.jpg
     
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