Utterly Unpublished

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  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    In a recent thread @Numisnewbiest posted an As of Vespasian he was having trouble attributing. https://www.cointalk.com/threads/help-with-attributing-a-plain-jane-vespasian.349430/ In fact, the coin is unpublished. I was lucky enough to have acquired it last week!

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    Vespasian
    Æ As, 9.73g
    Rome mint, 74 AD
    Obv: IMP CAES VESP AVG COS V CENS; Head of Vespasian, laureate, l.
    Rev: PAX AVGVST; S C in field; Pax stg. l., leaning on column, with caduceus and branch
    Acquired from eBay, November 2019. Ex Incitatus Coins.

    An unpublished As struck for Vespasian in 74. The obverse legend IMP CAES VESP AVG P M T P COS V CENS is a rare variant of the much more common obv legend which reads CAESAR for this issue. It is unrecorded with a left facing portrait paired with the PAX AVGVST reverse. Not listed in the upcoming RIC II.1 Addenda.

    The coin's uniqueness went unnoticed by the original seller. It's highly likely there are other specimens awaiting discovery.

    Share your unpublished coins!
     
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  3. Broucheion

    Broucheion Well-Known Member

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    OBV: Zeus head, laureate, facing right. No centration depression. Dotted border not visible.
    REV: Eagle on thunderbolt, facing left, wings open. In left field: ΠΑ monogram within circular Egyptian cartouche. Legend: ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ - ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ. No centration depression. Dotted border not visible.
    Size:23x24mm
    Weight: 12.42g
    Axis: 00:00
    Refs: Lorber Unlisted. This is a new denomination and so should be listed after CPE-B102; Sv-UNLISTED; SNG Cop-UNLISTED; BMC-UNLISTED.

    The known bronze varieties from this series (CPE B-103 & B-104) have variable die axes that imply a non-Alexandrian origin. This anomalous die orientation and the unusual control convention of B104 suggest that these issues were struck by a new mint, or by a mint outside the network of regular Ptolemaic mints. For CPE-B0104 see Oren Tal (A Late Fourth/Early Third Century BC Farmstead at Holot Rishon Le-Zion (South), Israel: Evidence for an Unrecorded Military Clash in the Southern Levant?). The coins recorded for this dig were excavated under controlled archaeological conditions. Based on the coin finds Tal dates the abandonment of the site to the last years Ptolemy I or the early years of Ptolemy II (~280-270s BCE).

    - Broucheion
     
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  4. Broucheion

    Broucheion Well-Known Member

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    OBV:
    Ptolemy I head facing right, wearing diadem and scaly aegis tied by snakes. Dotted border.
    REV: Eagle on thunderbolt facing left, wings closed. To left: ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ; to right: ΣΩΤΗΡΟΣ. In left field KΛ above KPA monogram, above ΩI monogram. Dotted border.
    Size: 26x27mm
    Weight: 13.4 g
    Axis: 11:00

    Refs: Lorber CPE-Unlisted but this would come after CPE-0425 in numbering. Sv-Unlisted; SNG Cop-Unlisted; BMC-Unlisted.

    A Davesne (Meydancikkale, p 293) tentatively gave the series of which this coin is a part to Paphos. Lorber's attribution to Uncertain Mint 9 rests in part on the repetition of the primary (upper) control KΛ from the preceding series (see CPE 416) but mainly on the fact that the primary control ΠΤ links the pre- and post-reform coinages of Uncertain Mints 10 and 19. Several controls of the present series occur as secondary controls of Uncertain Mint 10.

    I note that Ptolemy's portrait looks a lot like the style of the mint imitating Akko, which is thought to have operated later than the dating of this coin.

    - Broucheion
     

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  5. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    I hope you all submit these to Koinon!
     
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  6. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I won't inflict any of my Eastern Severans on you. Many of them are unpublished because there are so few of us who cover them or have interest in them. Instead I will include a Constantine from Lugdunum that I hope will be in the next Bastien Supplement. Until then it remains unpublished.

    Constantine the Great - Follis

    Obv:– CONSTANTINVS P F AVG, Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:- SOLI INVIC-TO COMITI, Sol standing left holding globe in left hand and raising right
    Minted in Lugdunum (F | T / PLC).
    Reference:– RIC VI Lugdunum -. Bastien -.

    4.76 gms. 0 degrees. 22.77 mm.

    Not previously known with this obverse legend for this issue.

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  7. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Very nice David. Congrats on adding this one to your superb collection.
     
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  8. PtolemAE

    PtolemAE Member

    What's anomalous about the 0h die orientation of the bronze coin?
     
  9. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Messina AV 4 Tari d'oro ND Messina Mint
    Sicily/ Messina under German Rulers
    Konrad I Holy Roman Emperor 1250-58
    Only the AV 8 Tari is shown in Friedberg/ I have never seen any others denominations of Tar for Konrad I b04714f3bab2d04086df2acf85568198.jpg
     
  10. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    Here is a Syrian Elagabalus that I think is unlisted.

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  11. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Also unpublished....
    AV Kupang
    Palembang/ Sumatra
    circa 1100AD Srivijaya Dynasty john photos 1 008 (Medium).jpg john photos 1 009 (Medium).jpg
     
  12. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Tis Faustina is not in great condition but apparently unpublished with a veiled bust. I'm not sure whether this coin should be considered a mule or a variety, see the discussion in this earlier thread.

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    Dupondius, 141 AD, Rome mint. Obv: DIVA FAVS[TINA], bust of Faustina, veiled, r. Rev: [A]VGUST[A], Vesta standing l., holding palladium and torch; in fields flanking, SC. 27mm, 9.05g. RIC III Antoninus Pius 1178 var. (not in RIC or other reference works with a veiled bust!).
     
  13. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer Numismatic Enthusiast

    I must mention, that I like how earlier emperors portraits were actually distinct. I can generally tell a Nerva from a Domition just from a glance of the portrait, however, later emperors nearly always had a Laurette or radiate and they were all similar in facial complexion.
     
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