Use of the term 'Medal-coin'.

The term 'medal-coin' is actually an old one,as the late Jerome Remick of Quebec,Canada used to use this term quite frequently in his British Commonwealth catalogue.The 1981 Krause also referred to the 1969 Pope of Rome Visit pieces from Uganda as 'medal-coins',as these were issued as commemoratives,not for circulation because of their excessive intrinsic value.

Aidan.

 

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Aidan,
Also,most medals are struck with both obverse and reverse facing the same way whereas the majority of modern coinage has one up and one down.Possibly,these medal-coins are struck both sides up which would differentiate them from other monetized commems...do you know?

 

Mikjo0,a lot of modern circulation coins are struck in medal alignment,especially for British Commonwealth countries.

See the section 'Definition of what is a coin' for more information.

Aidan.

 

Here's a link to an article about what a medal-coin is; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal-coins .

Aidan.

 

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
"A medal-coin or non-circulating legal tender (NCLT) coin is regarded as legal tender..."

In 2005 Warsaw Mint made ten years of new value circulation celebration sets - 9 klippas (square coins), mintage 5000 sets. Belive me, they are very similar to circulating coins, built in squre klippas and - according to the mint director`s note - they are not legal tender. So, how to classify them? As a "medal-coins"?
How to clissify fake polish euro coins - made (probably) in UK, without treasury minister`s permission and without knowledge of polish language (with horrible mistakes in te text!)? It could`t be the same category

To see the set, please go to:http: //allegro.pl/item148234585_klipy_10_lat_w_obiegu_monet_polskich.html#photo
fake euro: http://www.swistak.pl/aukcje/1677191,POLSKIE-EURO-2004-z-JANEM-PAWLEM-II-9-sztuk.html

However, "medal-coins" and "medalic alignment" is not the same for me.

 

Ok, ok, really, I had to laugh at this one...
I mean really, you can call it whatever you want, I understand what you mean and
so does most everyone else, whether we agree its the correct term or not,
but the funny part is when you click on the 'article', click on 'history' on the top,
and take a look at who added that term to Wikipedia.

 

Definitions of medal on the Web:
decoration: an award for winning a championship or commemorating some other event
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

A Medal can mean three things:* a wearable medal awarded by a government for services to a country (such as Armed force service); strictly speaking this only refers to a medal of coin-like appearance, but informally the word also refers to an Order (decoration);* a table medal awarded by an organization for services in a specific field (such as the Nobel Prize or the Carnagie Hero Medal);* a medal awarded to winners and runners-up of sporting (or similar) competitions.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal

a metal object resembling a coin but not used for legal tender. [TOP]
www.usmint.gov/kids/index.cfm

A coin-like object struck to honor one or more persons or events, but without any denomination (which may then classify it as a commemorative coin).
www.coin-gallery.com/cgglossary.htm

an object made of metal that resembles a coin. Often medals are made or given to recognize a person, place, or occasion. Medals have no stated value and are not intended to circulate as money. Sometimes a medal may have intrinsic value (bullion value).
cointerms.hypermart.net/m.htm

flat piece of metal with inscription, as in: My daughter got a gold medal in the backstroke.
www.business-words.com/dictionary/M.html

An embossed metal disc, cross or star struck to commemorate a particular event or service and awarded to individuals who become eligible for it or as a decoration or honour for distinguished military or civilian service.
www.nzdf.mil.nz/medals/info/glossary.html

A piece of metal or other material, usually round and resembling a coin, issued to commemorate and honour important events, persons, or institutions; to be give as awards for outstanding merit or achievement; or for satirical purposes. A war medal is awarded for acts of bravery in time of war. Not money.
www.canadiancoin.com/diction/m.htm

A score play competition where all shots are recorded and the winner is the one who took the least number.
www.mygolfrecord.com/modules.php

A medal, or more specifically a commemorative medal, is generally a round metallic object which is manufactured to commemorate some person, thing, or event of historical interest and importance. Unlike coins, a medal has no intrinsic monetary value; its worth is dependent upon its artistic quality, historical importance, age, rarity, condition, size, and metallic composition. The obverse of the medal generally depicts an image of a person or persons. ...
www.historicalartmedals.com/MEDAL W...R TEXT/NOTES/dating_french_medals_by_edge.htm


Definitions of coin on the Web:

make up; "coin phrases or words"
a metal piece (usually a disc) used as money
mint: form by stamping, punching, or printing; "strike coins"; "strike a medal"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

A coin is generally a piece of hard material, generally metal and usually in the shape of a disc, which is used as a form of money. Along with banknotes, coins make up the cash forms of all modern money systems. Coins are used for lower-valued units, and banknotes are used for the higher values.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin

Counter-insurgency is a term for governmental police and/or military operations against terrorist and/or insurgent groups. Counter-insurgency operations include many different facades military, paramilitary, political, economic, psychological, and civic actions taken to defeat insurgency.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COIN

A piece of metal (usually round) with a distinctive stamp and of a fixed value and weight issued by an authority and intended to be used as a medium of exchange.
www.coin-gallery.com/cgglossary.htm

object usually made of flat metal, small and round. Issued by a government as money. Usually, accepted by community as having value.
cointerms.hypermart.net/c.htm

A metal disc with a particular design, fixed value, specific weight and diameter. Coins are issued by governments as money.
collections.ic.gc.ca/incocoin/coindef.html

Metal formed into a disk of standardized weight and stamped with a standard design to enable it to circulate as money authorized by a government body.
www.numismedia.com/glossary.htm

A piece of metal intended for use as a legal tender and stamped with marks or inscriptions which show that it was issued by an authority that guarantees its weight and purity.
rarecoins.org/coin_terms.htm

1) A piece of metal with its commodity type, weight and fineness stated on its face; an item of intrinsic value based in the unconditional, historical domain and often used as a medium of exchange. 2) Monetized bullion or other forms of money manufactured from gold, silver, platinum, palladium, or other metals now or in the future and used as a medium of exchange in the United States or in any foreign nation.
nesara.org/main/dictionary.htm

a small, usually round, flat piece of metal stamped with a design and issued by a government as currency.
www.ots.treas.gov/glossary/gloss-c.html

The Costing and Information Project - managed together with AIMS during the duration of the AIMS Project.
web.uct.ac.za/depts/aims2/Glossary.htm

Any round token, usually made of metal, usually with distinctive marks, a fixed weight and value, and issued by a government to be used as money. To make pieces of metal into coins, usually by stamping them.
www.24carat.co.uk/numismaticterms.html

An object, usually metal, marked in some recognised way and issued by a governing authority for the purpose of acting as money - an agreed and accepted medium of exchange.
www.australianstamp.com/Coin-web/history/glossary.htm

OK Aiden how many of your Medal coins were awarded to people :whistle:

De Orc

Will check for a answer when I return from Cologne

 

Steve,you have got the wrong end of the stick there.A medal-coin is not intended for use in commerce,even though it is nominally legal tender.The Krugerrand is a classic example of being a medal-coin.So is the Canadian bullion pieces that WhispTech had been posting photos of prior to storming off here in a huff.

I hope that you have a nice trip to Cologne.No doubt you will buy plenty of perfume for both you & your wife,as Cologne is known for its perfume industry in the same way that Merano (in Venice) is known for its glass-making industry.

Aidan.

 

Roy,this goes to prove that the term 'medal-coin' is acceptable.

Aidan.

 

All it proves is that you are utterly convinced of something that I consider to be nonsense. I have no more chance of convincing you than you have of convincing me, especially through quoting Wikipedia articles that - so far as I know - you may have written or edited yourself.

Instead of reviving old threads on the topic, why don't we both just accept that we disagree, and go on to other subjects? Please DO NOT respond, just let the matter rest!

 

Completely disgustingly wrong. What about other world coins that don't strike in medal alightment. Please stop thinking that the world is made of British whatever.

And to add to the fact that the wikipedia thread is created by no other than Aidan himself, it's just not credible.

 

There are two different issues, or terms, here. First, "medal alignment". That expression makes sense from a purely US point of view. I find it strange (after all, many or even most other countries do not align their coins the way the US does) but it seems to be a commonly accepted and used term among American collectors.

Then there is this odd "medal-coin" expression. Well, there is no such thing. Of course it is legitimate to try and propagate one's own terms no matter how many/few others use or even understand them. And yes, we all know that there are various types of coins. But a medal is a medal and a coin is a coin.

Christian

 

Everybody makes mistakes. Krause corrected this in 1983 catalog and started mentioning these 1969 dated coins as commomorative coins. That's how these coins are described in every Krause catalog since 1983.

Regards,
Ballabh Garg

 

Ballabh,the term 'medal-coin' did not originate with me,as Roy & other people claim.It actually originated with the late Jerome Remick,who was born in America & lived most of his life in Quebec,where he died in 2005.Jerome Remick was the King of British Commonwealth numismatics in Canada.

Aidan.

 

Wow, I'm a little suprised, "Instead of reviving old threads on the topic ... Please DO NOT respond ...",
but yet you respond! As an owner/admin/moderator of your own site, wouldn't you expect people to NOT RESPOND if you or a mod had asked them not to?

 

Dopeuser,what is wrong with replying to a thread that I originally posted? Ballabh was giving his opinion,so I am giving you my opinion.

Aidan.

 

looks like we have 2 camps the medal coin guys on the red corner and the non medal coin guys in the blue corner. We need a refree for the right kingd of coins both medal and non medal i will volunteer . J/k guys IMHO opinion you can spend the coin for what its worth then its a coin no matter how much you spent trying to get it. BTW how does one go about becoming a moderator on the site? The weekend is over

 

Ballabh please look at my coins and comment. Need a expert opionion. Also do you know where i can buy Krause for cheap and if there has been a new edition for 1801-1900 after dec of 06. Thanks.

 

Well just sounded like Roy asked you not to. Maybe I misread....
But really, this is one of those 'agree to disagree' type situations. Some people don't like the term,
some are out-right offended by it, and at the same time, some people do actually use it.
I don't see the point in trying to 'convert' a non-medal-coiniast to a medal-coiniast, which
by the way, is my term for people that use the term, 'medal-coin', I kid you not,
I'm working on adding 'medal-coiniast' to Wikipedia as we speak...

 

Dopeuser,you can look here; www.amazon.com .

Aidan.