Unsure monogram below Istrus Dolphin

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  1. Steven Michael Gardner

    Steven Michael Gardner Well-Known Member

    Any one that knows these two faces Istros coins knows that there are a lot of
    various momograms assocated with them, the best I've found is SNG BMC 242
    in the Thrace Istrus wildwinds page...
    I just want to know if I am seeing this right, the Referenced coin is a full drachm
    where mine in quite a bit smaller, 1/4 drachm or do I refer to it with another
    name???
    Is the Monogram on mine ΠA correct???
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  3. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    I am not an expert in Istros coins but the coin might be a trihemiobol. ALso from wildwinds Istros page, the one with references AMNG 444; Canarache 368.
     
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  4. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    One person's obol is another person's trihemiobol is another's diobol. Depends who you ask. Or it might also be called a 1/24th stater by a contrarian. It could also depend on the city that issued it.

    It's probably too large for an obol, but to say it's a diobol rather than a trihemiobol may be false precision.

    Pi-A is a good guess for the monogram. Rho-A also looks plausible.
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    THRACE, ISTROS.jpg
    THRACE, ISTROS
    AR Drachm
    OBVERSE: Facing male heads, the left inverted (Polydeuces Castor and Pollucs (AKA Dioskuri)
    REVERSE: Sea-eagle left, grasping dolphin with talons; ISTRIH above, Q between wing and tail, K beneath dolphin
    Struck at Istros, 400-300BC
    5.3g, 19mm
    AMNG 434
     
  6. Steven Michael Gardner

    Steven Michael Gardner Well-Known Member

    So, we all are kinda guessing on this monogram, this is the photo of the
    one I thought looks most like mine, I could not find a Pi-A or Rho-A at least on
    wildwinds but if someone can show me a picture that fits mine better than the ΠA
    than I am still open to anything???
    monogram.jpg
     
  7. Herodotus

    Herodotus Well-Known Member

    The weight of your coin would indicate that it may be referred to as a 'Trihemiobol'. AKA -- 1/4 drachm or 1 1/2 Obol.

    Here are a handful of examples showing the same monogram:
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    Thrace, Istros. (4th Century BC). AR Trihemiobol
    Obverse: Two young male heads facing, side by side, left upright, right inverted.
    Reverse: IΣTPIH above; Sea-eagle to left, clutching dolphin in its talons; ΠA monogram below.
    AMNG 444; Dima 2014, Group IV Subgroup V, I; HGC 3.2, 1807
     
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  8. Steven Michael Gardner

    Steven Michael Gardner Well-Known Member

    Thanks Herodotus, this is the clarity I was hoping for, I think you answer clears it
    up for me pretty well..!
     
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