Unknown unpubliced Tremissis

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  1. Kadan

    Kadan Member

    I want to say hi in my first topic.
    I'm new here so if anything goes wrong ...... and i'm sorry for my bad english.
    In october 2017 I made this find my self with a detector.
    It's 1,1 gram and 13mm.
    Many specialists i contacted for an i.d. and nothing was found that's looks like this coin.
    I contacted for example Arent Pol, the specialist in Merovingian gold tremisses coins.
    A.Pol says that's a Tremissis with an dating about 620AD. It's tested and it's posses 84% gold. If anyone have some information about this coin i'm eager to hear about it.
    There is no information about this one and nothing similar found yet.
    So if anyone can help me with it i'm pleased.

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  3. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Welcome to coin talk! Great 1st post. WoWiE, found gold. That's amaaaaazing! I wish I could help you ID it. Sadly I cannot, but I'd be surprised if one of the pros around here doesn't. Can I ask, where did you find it??
     
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  4. Kadan

    Kadan Member

    I found this coin in the province Noord-Brabant in the Netherlands.
     
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  5. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    @panzerman knows the realm of ancient gold and butterflies
     
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    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    WOW! I really look forward to seeing some of your finds! Welcome!

    Oh- and from what I can see, your English is better than that of some of our American and British members. ;)
     
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  8. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    I have never seen this in any auction/ publication. Congratulations on your find!
     
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  9. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Great find!
     
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  10. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    Welcome!

    Weldone great find i could find any type, i think unknown mind because cros and not with a king on it

    [​IMG] not my coin
    Uncertain mint. Circa mid 7th century. Tremissis (Gold, 1.27 g 6), Brucumateo. BRVCVMATEO Bearded figure standing right, raising arm. Rev. Cross, with pellet at the end of each arm, atop a pedestal or fenced enclosure; above, lozenge in each quarter; below, R to left and inverted D to right. Apparently unpublished and unknown . A fascinating piece, apparently unique . From a Swiss private collection, ex Numismatica Genevensis V, 2 December 2008, 503.
    In some ways the Merovingian monetary system is very hard to understand. For over a century large amounts of gold tremisses were produced by an enormous number of mints, all presumably coined with gold that had come in with taxes and then was transferred in an identifiable way. The die cutters ranged from artisans to blacksmiths, and often had highly idiosyncratic ideas about legibility. The maddening thing about these coins is that one can often read a part of the inscription, but it is usually the part that does not help us to know what it says! Even worse, as with this piece, we can read everything perfectly, yet its identification remains elusive. As a famous epigrapher used say, “it’s easy to read if you know what it says”, unfortunately, as with so many Merovingian issues, we simply do not.
     
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  11. RAGNAROK

    RAGNAROK Naebody chaws me wi impunitY

    Very bizarre...

    ...from french c.g.b.:


    UNCERTAIN MINT
    (7th - 8th century)
    Many Merovingian coins, badly struck, with a very poor or little explicit epigraphy, can not be attributed to a particular mint. Rare coins unfortunately have the same problem. With attributions based on books often old, an unknown coin at the time will often be difficult to be attributed, unless it is possible to read the mint or find the name of the moneyer and compare with its production in the mints where he struck coins.

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  12. RAGNAROK

    RAGNAROK Naebody chaws me wi impunitY

    o_O
     
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  13. Kadan

    Kadan Member

    Thanks for your comment RAGNAROK.
    So my find will be Rare or Unique.....
    That sounds great but it's unfortunately because there is no possibility to ID or tell what's the age. That's a shame. I wanted to know more about this coin and find some similar coins.
     
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  14. galba68

    galba68 Well-Known Member

    lovely detector find!!! well done,kadan..
     
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