Unknown Ancient - Probable Fake

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Hobo, Mar 4, 2009.

  1. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    I bought this coin because it has a cow design. (I grew up on a dairy and I like coins with cow designs.)

    I strongly suspect this coin is a fake but I know next to nothing about counterfeit detection of ancient coins. The underlying metal is highly crystalized which makes me think it is not silver. I give this coin a 1% to 2% chance of being genuine.

    Can anyone tell me anything about this piece? Is it a fake as I suspect? What coin is it supposed to be?

    Thanks in advance. (Sorry for the poor cropping. I need to brush up on cropping coins that are not circular.)
     

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  3. stainless

    stainless ANTONINIVS

    Apollinia Illyria 229-100 BC Drachm
    Obv: Cow standing left,
    looking at her calf that she is feeding.





    unfortunatly, it is a fake.



    stainless
     
  4. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    I think it is Greek and to be honest I am not so sure that it is a fake, you can get a similar effect on some ancient silver coins depending on the type of soil it has been in. I honestly woudnt like to say one way or the other without having the coin in hand.
     
  5. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    That's what I figured. Thanks.

    Unless I am mistaken on the terminology on this coin the cow is standing left.
     
  6. stainless

    stainless ANTONINIVS

    yah, fixed sorry. I copied the wrong reference..lol.


    stainless
     
  7. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    have you cleaned it at all?
     
  8. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    I have not. Who knows what someone before me may have done.
     
  9. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I'm curious on what it would look like after a light wash, but since I dont know whats up with the coin I can recomend it
     
  10. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    n before i forget

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    heres my fake
     
  11. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Both of yours look to be contemporary fouree's (silver plated) coins to me.
     
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    stainless ANTONINIVS


    Hobo's too? if that were the case, shouldn't I see bronzish insides where the coin has been worn?


    stainless
     
  13. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    A good point, which got me thinking. It is, of course, possible that a lead core was used in lieu of bronze, which I have seen done a few times. But looking at this coin more makes me think it genuine and a product of peculiar preservation.

    I think that the coin was deposited in a hoard of other silver coins. Groundwater got into it, and some of the silver leeched out. Silver from other coins became deposited on this one. During the cleaning process, the excess (horn) silver was worn off, giving the effect seen on the tops of the letters.
     
  14. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    That's good news. I assumed it was a modern counterfeit. I love contemporary counterfeits and an ancient contemporary counterfeit (fouree) would be a great addition to my counterfeit collection.

    Thanks for your opinion. I'll try to have someone that knows ancient coins take a look at it and give me their opinion.
     
  15. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    That is a kool looking coin Hobo, congrats with it. :thumb:

    Phoenix :cool:
     
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