Un-uniform flan thickness

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by shasta, Feb 8, 2015.

  1. shasta

    shasta New Member

    Hi guys
    Just got this coin back at Christmas, it's of antonius pius and it's from laodicea ad mare in Syria. I bought it from a seller known as ancient coin house( don't know if I can name the seller on the forum so sorry if it's against the rules) on amazon who I haven't bought anything fake from and he is trusted. Anyways the coin has a different thickness on both sides. I'm a beginner coin collector but I still have never seen this. Does this happen in ancient coin and why?
    Thanks
     

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  3. shasta

    shasta New Member

    Tell me if you need better photos
     
  4. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    It's not uncommon for a ancient coin to have a lopsided flan. I have a few myself.
     
  5. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    All if not most ancient coins were made by hand. Most likely, the flans were poured in a mold and if that mold was not constructed properly, then the flan could be lopsided after pouring the metal. Also, after the flan was heated or even cold struck, a hammer hitting the die on top of the coin could also flatten the flan or make it uneven. There may be other reasons to speculate.
     
  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    From the images I see nothing of which to be concerned. I have a soft spot for coins depicting Tyche, and, in fact, I have what I think is the same coin or one similar:
    Antonius Pius 5.jpg
    ANTONIUS PIUS AE 25
    OBVERSE: AVTO KAI TI AIL ADRI ANTWNINOC CEEBV, laureate head right
    REVERSE: IOVLIEWN TWN KAI LAODIKEWN, turreted and draped bust of Tyche right; QE-HP P in fields
    Struck at Laodikeia ad Mare, 140-141 AD
    9.28g, 25mm
    SNG Copenhagen 350 var, BMC 57
     
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  7. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    That is normal for ancient coins. There are some that are in that shape when they made it and some are worn over time. Nothing to be concerned about unless the weight is way off.
     
  8. shasta

    shasta New Member

    What would the weight normally be for this type of coin? I thought bronze coins were varied in weights.
     
  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    They can vary, but the mints attempted uniformity as much as technically possible. If you have a scale, I think you coin should weigh similar to mine above at 9.28g. I say that not knowing the size of your coin first. Measure your coin diameter in millimeters if you can.
     
  10. shasta

    shasta New Member

    My coin is about 25 mm in diameter and is 8.75 grams. Is that too off?
     
  11. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I have a recent acquisition from the same city as your coin with a similarly uneven flan. It's an Elagabalus, so struck perhaps 60-70 years later. I haven't seen enough coins from this region to call this typical, but I'd guess it could be the result in any number of factors that went into the production of the moulds, preparation of the flans, or the striking of the coins.

    Elagabalus Laodicea edge.jpg
    Elagabalus Laodicea400.jpg
     
  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I have many coins with uneven flans. As others have said, this is just a consequence of the manufacturing techniques. As for the weight of yours, it is not concerning.

    Here's another such example from Tyre, Phoenicia; Elagabalus with Dido.

    TYRE-ElagabalusDido1-edit.jpg

    ElagabalusTyreSideView1plain.jpg
     
  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Weight seems to be fine.
     
  14. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    also, normal since it appears to be a ground recovery

    [metal detecting find] so the damage from being buried would be normal.
     
  15. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Uneven strikes occur quite regularly. I have the following coin that illustrates a Roman Republican (L. Papius) denarius with an uneven and off-centre strike.

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    Martin
     
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  16. shasta

    shasta New Member

    Nice photos everyone.
     
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