Two Kennedy Half errors to look at

In the first picture, I have the obverse of a 1991-P Kennedy Half dollar coin with obvious doubling on the nose, ear, and below the chin.

It is definately an error, but in all my reading about the difference between machine doubling and an actual doubled die, I haven't really seen any good pictures. Given the odds, I'm betting this is just machine doubling, but could someone let me know for sure?

I was also curious, since both are rare, why is it that doubled dies are considered valuable while machine doubling is considered damage? Is it just relative rarity?

The second picture I thought was just a terribly damaged Kennedy Half. It looks extemely worn down. On second glance though, with the rims still intact as they are, how could it be normal ware? Wouldn't it have impaced the rims as well? Is there any other way for this to have been created?

Thanks.
~Christian

 

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#1= Strike/machine doubling.

#2: Could be struck thru grease, but the rim looks funky. Need closer picture to be able to tell.

 

Thanks for the response.
I took a couple more shots of the second one. I'm not sure exactly what you need to see closer so if these don't help just let me know what to concentrate on.
Cheers.

 

hmmm...

the surface looks kind of funky.

my best guess is post mint.


anone else with an opinion?

 

Slot machine worn or Dryer worn.????

 

The first half dollar shows machine doubling. The second was damaged outside the Mint.

 

Thanks, Mike.

Phew, I guess correctly.

 

Thanks for the responses.
I was right about the first one, that second one I just can't figure out. If it was outside the mint, that's just some weird damage! I was thinking struck through grease...was hoping at least. Oh well.
Cheers,
Christian