Two Bay “Orange Hoodie” Awarded 1883-CC Morgan $’s in bad Slabs

More from the Chinese bad seller of counterfeit “coins” in fake “PCGS” slabs, these are just two of the recent ones listed to be sold…

The first example has some of the best seller images I have seen for these, but things go sideways pretty quickly on further review!


Those familiar with genuine PCGS slabs will notice at least one thing missing; and then there is the barcode:


But most importantly, there is the “coin”!

Attributing it (ALWAYS MY 1ST STEP!) to known genuine examples “VAMS” shows a unique for this date/ example mint mark location/ placement:


And comparing it to the known common reverse used for all years of these counterfeits (like the 1881-CC) you see common features:


Unfortunately, the on-line cert used for this one is no help, as there are no images of the genuine example:


Full disclosure- I have a grading discussion going on this one on Coin Chat at: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/thoughts-on-the-grade-of-this-1883-cc-morgan.406321/#post-24634956 ...

But, looking through the PCGS auction archive turns up another example!



Clicking “original lot” shows this example:


And this one DOES have an on-line cert image:


Comparing this bad example to the genuine one (on the right) yields these images:



Swing and another miss!

And then comparing both bad reverses we see the same bad mintmark location and major flaw:


And the “punch line”…

 

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Best, Jack.

 

Another flaw that I noticed is the raised line between the tip of the left (facing) olive branch to the eagles wing. Unless that is a VAM, I've never seen that on a Morgan before.

 

As always Jack, thank you for rooting out these fakes. You're vigilance is a service to all collectors.

 

Good eyes also

 

So they’re faking stuff like 1883 CC Morgan’s on eBay now? That’s really nice to know. A nice confidence booster, for those who buy/sale on eBay regularly too. Good eye, and thanks for looking out too btw.

 

Thanks for the post.

 

Coin Week published my article today: https://coinweek.com/two-online-cou...-KY6gLBd3KoFcRwKotZAkXIFiNOnPUPC82YuvEBCB2_kI

 

Lable lettering spacing is a giveaway.

 

Thank you!

 

Even large Bay sellers are falling for these...

 

Ouch. And with one of the most impossible-to-miss tells right (not) there in the corner.

 

Is the counterfeit reverse die developing a die crack extending from the rim running through the "T" to the "A" in "STATES"? If so - certainly will help in identifying future counterfeits struck using this die.