Trying to identify 2 old coins on ebay- Medieval? Portugal?

Both of these coins look pretty neat to me. I am interested in bidding but would like to identify where they are from and their age. They could date to the Medieval era (up to 1485) or could have been minted later.

The first one is this and is 30 mm, bronze:


As for the second, the seller suggests it may be from Portugal and says it is a little smaller than a dime and thinner:

Thanks for the help, NOS

 

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I could be wrong, but I think these 2 are not coins but counter tokens. The first is 17th or 18th century and French, the second looks earlier (16th century?)

 

About the second: on a Dutch coin and metal detector forum I visit a lot the following one was presented:click here.

This one has been identified as an anonymus Neurenberger jeton. Member rechenpfennig explains that this kind of jeton are classified by Mitchiner as follows: 1500-1550 anonymus without initial of maker; 1500-1550 with initial of maker, mostly at 12 o'clock on the side with the orb. (This could be a rose, crown...). After 1550 these were made by Krauwinckel and Schultes with readable letters.

 

I can't identify the second coin but after googling what I can read of the inscription,here is what I found.
On the first photo,you can see the letters AMVMIO (amumio) which when Googled,takes you to a Portugese translation site.The word means "gift".Using the same site,I typed in legible letters from the other side, MVLTES (multes) which translates to something like "grand " or "great" in Porugese (actually Latin but apparently still used in Portugese).Before multes,there is DG (dei gratia,by the grace of God) which generally denotes royalty.I don't know if it's relevant but it would seem to point to Portugal as the origin of the coin.Who knows? It might well be all Latin which was used on most medieval coins

 

Thanks for all of the help everyone. So the first coin is a French Jeton then right? I'm not at all familiar with such coins and at $10.50 so far I'm not going to bid. The one from Portugal is at $8.51 with shipping so if I can get the coin fully attributed by the time it ends I'll bid. I can't see the scan of the coin on the German site that Bart brought up. It really is a puzzling coin so I dunno what to make of it after what GDJMSP has said now.

 

The second is definetely NOT Portuguese (not even a Portuguese counter token), "amumio" is derived from the word "Mummy" (The Egyptian type...) and it means to get skinny, "multes" mean "he fined someone" Bart should be right altough i can't see the pic on the Dutch forum, maybe AMVMIO is a *******ized form of "NUMIS" (Coin) and MVLTES of "MULTI" (Several), meaning "Several coins" and indicating that this "coin" is actually some sort of counter token, but its just a guess.

And i'll wait for Ian's opinion too...

Jose

 

This was the picture I was referring to:

 

So the coin I presented is an anonymus Neurenberger jeton minted 1500-1550 without initial of maker right? I notice between the two photos that the legends look to be different and the points are different as well. By the way, just what are Jetons, let alone French and Neurenberger? I've seen the term on ebay for years but heard they're not actually coins so never cared to research them. "Jetons" do look to have circulated even quite a bit so if someone could explain how they're not coins that would be great. Thanks!