TRIVIA: Influence on Coins!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Clinker, Nov 14, 2008.

  1. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

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    One of the greatest influences on coinage in the world was the numismatics of Rome!

    About 211 B.C. during the Second Punic War, the Roman Republic struck its first Denarius fixing its value at 1/72 of a Roman Pound.

    Both these denominations (Denarius and Pound) influenced the coinage of most European countries, and other countries around the globe, but none as much as England.

    The earliest Roman Denarius photo I could find is this 145 B.C. Silver Denarius (Coin Archives):


    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=232499&AucID=178&Lot=601



    Here's a few Denarii (Denar, Denier) influenced coins (all courtesy of Coin Archives):

    Cologne:


    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=596371&AucID=433&Lot=23306


    Armenia:


    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=592577&AucID=431&Lot=1359


    Germany:

    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=600301&AucID=437&Lot=213



    Bosnia:

    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=590638&AucID=430&Lot=1928


    Bulgaria:

    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=590639&AucID=430&Lot=1929


    Italy:

    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=590662&AucID=430&Lot=1952


    Serbia:

    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=590708&AucID=430&Lot=1998

    There are many more, but those revealed, thus far, should convince you of the Denarius' influence in Europe.

    Denarius influences elsewhere:

    Denar:

    Macedonia,

    Dinar:

    Algeria, Bahrain, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lubya, Serbia, Tunesia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Yeman, and Sudan.

    Dinhero:

    Portugal

    Dinero:

    Spain


    Did you ever wonder why the Pence coins of England (later, Great Britain) were designated by the letter "d"?


    Right away, as the first coins of England were struck under the influence of the Roman Denarius, all multiple Pence coins were referred to by the moneyers as Denarii, written as 2d, 3d, 4d, 6d, etc. This connotation was not changed until February 15, 1971, the day British currency was decimalized. The "d" was replaced by a "p" since then.

    And now the Pound:

    British Commonwealth Members, including Australia and New Zealand

    British Overseas Territories

    Egypt

    Lebanon

    Nigeria

    Sudan

    Syria

    Do you know all of the original 13 American colonies (before uniting) based their coinage on the Pound including 3d, 6d and 12d (Shilling)?

    Hope you enjoyed...

    Clinker
     
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  3. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    If you want to go further, shilling is based off of the Roman solidus. Not as easy to draw the connections, unfortunately.

    Good post!
     
  4. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    Ardatirion

    Thanks:high5:

    Clinker
     
  5. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Thanks Clinker. Great info.....
     
  6. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    green18

    Thanks for your positive comment...

    Clinker
     
  7. acanthite

    acanthite ALIIS DIVES

    Great educational trivia, thanks!
     
  8. Troodon

    Troodon Coin Collector

    Also worth mentioning that the Latin word "libra" is why the British Pound uses an "L" as its symbol.
     
  9. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    That "libra" is part of Charlemagne's coinage reform around 795: 1 libra = 20 solidi = 240 denarii. In French, 1 livre = 20 sous = 240 deniers. In German, 1 Pfund = 20 Schilling(e) = 240 Pfennig(e).

    In Germany, the "d" as an abbreviation of Pfennig http://www.decodeunicode.org/de/u+20B0 was in use until the previous century. Relatively common until some time between WW1 and WW2, I think.

    Christian
     
  10. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    acanthite

    Thanks, again, for reading and commenting...

    Clinker
     
  11. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    Troodon


    Hi, and thanks for the extra info...

    Clinker
     
  12. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    chrsild

    Hi, Christian!

    Thanks for reading and the addendums! I noticed that both examples of the Denarius influenced denominations broke down to 240 as well as the German Pfennig. Neat, huh?

    Clinker
     
  13. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Thank you for posting those "trivia", stories and images! And keep them coming our way. ;)

    Christian
     
  14. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    Oh the designs of ancient coins have had a strong influence even on early 20th century American coins. Well the Greeks influenced those, now just like the crumbling Roman Empire we place our Emperor-Dead Presidents on coins.
     
  15. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    there seems to be alot of direct and indirect influence, thanks for the post :D
     

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  16. Clinker

    Clinker Coin Collector

    scottishmomey:

    You're right! And it took us from 1776 to 1909 to do it against the will of our Forefathers!

    randygeki:

    THANKS for the link!

    Clinker
     
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