Transitional coin

Apulia, Luceria,
AE Quincunx
211-200 BC
26.64MM, 17.37grams
Helmeted head of Minerva right, 5 pellets above
Wheel with 8 spokes L-OVCERI between spokes.
SNG ANS 699

Does this go in "early Roman Republic bronzes" or "Magna Graecia".

 

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Hi JBG => hmmm, I can't see the coin (maybe try re-posting?)

cheers, coin-brother

 

I can't see it either...

Edit: Now I can.

 

a little more reading and I'm sure this is an early Republican "quincunx" or 1/12 of an As. The name "quincunx" usually refers to a 5 point pattern like the 5 on a die, not an 8 point wheel pattern so that's another confusing bit.

And McCabe does not show any "wheel" reverse bronzes during this time period (214-201 BC) in the Apulia section.

 

and further reading (I know, I should have done this before I posted but I'm lazy) says Apulia came under Roman control in the late 200s BC so it's a done-deal Roman Republic coin.

 

After a little digging of my own, I believe you are correct. Man, you are going to get some jealous RR collectors in this thread. That's a mighty fine specimen of the type.

 

I'm really into this sub-set and I really like McCabe's site...real good photos.

 

Fantastic coin! Wow

 

In order to fit these types of coins neatly in my tray, I have created 2 categories:
Cast Coinage (Greece): Aes Grave, Circa 280-211
Struck Coinage (Greece): circa 273-200 BC

Though they are not listed in RRC or CRR, I file them with my Roman Republican bronze collection since many of the cast and struck issues minted in Greece are listed in Vecchi's Italian Cast Coinage.



Struck Coinage (Greece): circa 273-200 BC
AE Quincunx (struck issue) 16.6 gm - 25 mm
Ref: SNG ANS 699, Rutter 678, Sear's Greek Coins SG587

There is some disagreement on the date: SNG ANS 699 identifies the Goddess by her Greek name Athena, and gives a date of 250-217 BC. Rutter gives a date of 211-200 BC, and Sear just says later 3rd century BC.

 

Finally able to view your photo...I am impressed!! My reverse is a real beauty in the hand, but your obverse is simply outstanding (so much better than mine)

 

So my "wheel" coin goes in "struck". Where does the one below go in "Cast Aes Grave"?

And why (Greece) on both categories?
168-159 BC

 

You're not kidding. That's one I would love in my collection. JBG, if you ever decide to get rid of this one, just let me know. I have a Constantius II I will trade ya.

 

Yeah, I'm full up on all the Constan(x) coins.

 

Ok, ok. How about a nice, nondescript Byzantine.

 

Cash talks, the rest walks. If you ever want to flip it, name any reasonable price and I'll take it, or since you have so many if us drooling over it, perhaps an auction?

Stunning coin. I'm jealous

 

another of my favs. and it matches the wiki definition of "Aes grave" quadrans as Hercules and 3 pellets. And it is clearly a Roma coin! @ancientcoinguru I asume this is a struck coin?


L. Cornelius Cinna
169-158 BC
AE quadrans
Hercules right, 3 pellets behind
Cinna above, ROMA in ex. Prow galley right, 3 pellets
BMCRR 807, Crawford 178/4
6.32 grams, 18 mm

 

I do love a good nondescript byzantine coin!

 

DEAL!

 

Just to distinguish from these 6 categories, which are well covered in RRC or CRR, and minted in Rome or by a Roman moneyer:

Cast Coinage (Rome): Aes Grave, Circa 280-211, Early Phase: Issues with Varied Types, Circa 280-225 BC

Cast Coinage: Aes Grave, Circa 280-211, Late Phase: Issues with Standardized Types, Circa 225-211 BC

Struck Coinage: Token Litrae, Etc., circa 273-225 BC

Struck Coinage: Post-Reform Fractions of the Aes Grave As, circa 217-211 BC

Struck Coinage: Post-Reform Issues, circa 211-82 BC

Struck Coinage: Post-Reform Issues, after 82 BC (per Andrew McCabe)

Now aren't you sorry you asked?

 

Heck no! This is exactly what I'm looking for. Thank you!!