Trajan Descius - Dacia Reverse

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  1. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I don't own one of these but I hope to before the year is out.

    Here is a selection from Vcoins. The reverse is described as Dacia holding a standard or staff, topped by an ass's head.

    https://www.vcoins.com/en/Search.as...cords=100&SearchOnSale=False&Unassigned=False

    What would be the point of an "ass's head"? Would this have mocked the Dacians?

    RIC 12b according to Wildwinds has the reverse description as..."DACIA, Dacia standing left, holding draco standard or vertical staff surmounted by ass's head."

    I am more inclined to think that it is actually a draco on top of the standard.

    draco.JPG
    Anyone want to comment?
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    From the image I would have to agree. That's a Draco standard.

    Trajan Decius 5.jpg
    TRAJAN DECIUS
    AR Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: IMP C M Q TRAIANUS DECIVS AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    REVERSE: DACIA, Dacia standing left, holding draco standard or vertical staff surmounted by ass's head
    Struck at Rome, 249 AD
    4.39g, 22mm
    RIC 12b
    Ex CNG eAuction 328, Lot 761
    Ex. Seaby with handwritten envelope and tag
     
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  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Its a good type to own. I just have this, which I like better.

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    Trajan Decius (249 - 251 A.D.)
    AR Antoninianus
    O: IMP C M Q TRAIANVS DECIVS AVG; radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right.
    R: PANNONIAE; the two Pannoniae, veiled, standing right and left facing one another, clasping right hands in front of standard between them.
    Rome Mint, 251 A.D.
    22mm
    3.2g
    RIC IV Rome 26
     
  5. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

  6. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Nice Trajan Decius coins...

    Whenever I see that Emperors coins, I think back to Triton I auction. I had saved up a wad of $ cutting lawns all Summer. So, when CNG sent me that catalogue, I was all gungho on getting my first Roman coin. I picked from auction catalogue, you guessed it a FDC Trajan Decius Aureus (reverse shows him riding horse) I ended up winning it for back then $4500US. I ended up never getting that prize...since it disappeared. Till this day that coin is MIA. Someday, I hope to get another, bad luck cannot strike twice! First have to trim a bunch of cedar hedges!
     
  7. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I hope you got your money back......
     
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  8. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Yeah! CNG was good about it. I told them to keep on acct. for Triton II. When that auction came up, I was successfull and got that FDC Elagalabus Aureus!
    Apparently, it seems this sort of thing happens all to often.

    John
     
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  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    My Draco is a different style but we can't expect every die to match. I'll also show a DACIA FELIX where the figure is holding a standard of the standard style.
    rx1260bb1802.jpg rx1265bb2531.jpg
     
  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Good luck hunting a Trajan Decius, Pish

    => I only have this baby ... an extremely sweet Tet (it's like a lil' hockey puck)


    trajan decius a.jpg trajan decius b.jpg
     
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  11. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Good baby to have, beautifull reverse! Too bad the Aurei did not use it.
     
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  12. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I'm missing that particular type as well @Pishpash although I'm about to pick up this curious example on a extra-wide flan; Antoninianus, Rome Mint, Emperor on horse reverse:
    Trajan decius ant wide flan obverse.JPG Trajan decius ant wide flan reverse.JPG
     
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  13. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Stupid question from a novice...what is difference between AR Denarius AR Antoninius? I just about to collect these guys.
     
  14. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Denomination. Denarius was first, then Caracalla introduced the Antoninius, which was suppose to be worth 2 Denarii but had 1 1/2 worth of silver in it. Eventually the Antoninius replaced the denarius and the silver content declined from the Antoninius to just bronze.
     
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  15. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Thanks Mat. That explains it fully. I seen some auctions where they listed denarius for Severus Alexander/others Antoninius for Marcus Aurelius! Now, I see where the transistion took place. Also explains why ones minted under Tacitus/Florianus/Posthumus did not look like earlier ones issued by Balbinus/Philip/Pupienius...
     
  16. noname

    noname Well-Known Member

    I've only got one Trajan Decius, and its a pretty common Abundatia reverse
    4.2 grams, 22 millimeters.
     

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  17. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Good luck @Pishpash on getting your example in 2016
    Bad luck @panzerman on loosing your's. But I think you recovered quite well from the loss since, with all the marvels you've successfully won.

    Following are an antoninianus with a somehow clear ass's head (anything better than a fart face), and a sestertiuswith a regular standard

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    Trajan Decius, Antoninianus Rome mint, AD 250-251
    IMP C M Q TRAIANVS DECIVS AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind
    DACIA, Dacia standing left holding a standard surmounted by an ass's head
    3.52 gr - 20/23 mm
    Ref : RCV # 9368, RSC # 16, RIC IV-3 # 12b
    Ex Auctiones.ch


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    Trajan Decius, Sestertius Rome mint, AD 251
    IMP C M Q TRAIANVS DECIVS AVG, laureate and draped bust right
    DACIA, Dacia standing left, holding roman standard, S|C in field
    20,98 gr
    Cohen # 28, RCV # 9400

    Q
     
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  18. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Nice coins Q, not convinced it is an ass's head though.
     
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  19. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Ditto
     
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  20. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Really nice examples, distinctive portrait of emperor....
     
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  21. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    In the post
    The obverse is a little worn but the price reflects this
    dacian1_burned.jpg dacian2_burned.jpg
    Possible nice toning going on which is a bonus.
     
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