Toning question

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Steve66, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. Steve66

    Steve66 Coin People

    So I bought this coin a few years back for about melt value.
    It was an average coin, a few bag marks, with pretty good luster. I wasn’t very impressed with it so I threw it up on a shelf.
    I found it today, still where I left it, and now it has some very impressive toning.

    My question is, would this be considered natural toning?

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  3. BoonTheGoon

    BoonTheGoon Grade A mad lad

    Ohhhh, I should put somthing on the shelf, not for profit but like just to see what would happen because that look cool! However idk if it would be considered natural or not.
     
  4. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

  5. Jasanche

    Jasanche Member

    I would put quite a few silver coins on that shelf!

    Definitely natural toning. Nice!
     
  6. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer Numismatic Enthusiast

    You need to tell us the exact composition of that shelf.....now!
    lol
     
  7. BoonTheGoon

    BoonTheGoon Grade A mad lad

    Honhonhon, that you do sire!
     
  8. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    That depends, did you put in on the shelf with the intention of toning it? If so, then it is AT for sure. All the internet experts on this forum say so!

    Don't worry, they are wrong, intent has nothing to do with whether a coin is deemed questionable of market acceptable.
     
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  9. BoonTheGoon

    BoonTheGoon Grade A mad lad

    Well what if I "forgot" to put my coin away? There is no way to prove if you choose to put it there or not but I would only do it for a cool coin of my own. Doing that for profit is scummy.
     
  10. Steve66

    Steve66 Coin People

    I think I put it on the shelf just to get it out of my way.
    I’ve seen coins detailed for questionable toning. I wonder if this one would.
     
  11. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Tell ya what, read the thread linked below, and then decide for yourself if your coin is NT or AT. This thread exhausts all sides of the argument, at length.

    Can you define artificial toning ?
     
  12. BoonTheGoon

    BoonTheGoon Grade A mad lad

    ok, I will look at these resources thank you.
     
  13. BoonTheGoon

    BoonTheGoon Grade A mad lad

    Well, my junk silver is just in an old leather box so I guess if I leave it there it will be natural anyway. I never thought that it could cause toning but I may as well keep it there to see what goes.
     
  14. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    It's NT, but the colors and the pattern look AT. You need to put another coin over it to give it a crescent pattern, or put some cloth or paper over it to get box-end toning or bag burn.
     
  15. BoonTheGoon

    BoonTheGoon Grade A mad lad

    Will my box work, its made of leather but I have several coins in it
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's not just the shelf that is responsible - but everything in his entire home, and his lifestyle, that is responsible for the toning.

    In other words, you could even take his shelf and put it in your house, then put coins on it. And the toning would not turn out the same as his did.

    And to make it even more complicated, he could more coins on his shelf, and some of them will turn out quite differently than that coin did.
     
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  17. Steve66

    Steve66 Coin People

    Wow...
    that thread exhausts me...

    I did nothing intentionally to cause this toning.

    So, I will go with natural
     
  18. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Lol, I thought it might. Just wanted to show you what a complicated question it is to ask, and how many differing opinions there are on the subject.
     
  19. jcm

    jcm Active Member

    If you submit tiit to a TPG just don't say where you left it, it will come back with a details grade for shelf marks.
    If it was in the bathroom, it'll come back as artificially toned-gassed.
     
  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Nice toning. Yes, natural, of course, though whether a TPG would agree with that or not, who knows.
     
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  21. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    What I find amazing is that silver seems to tone, even when in proof presentation cases. Since 1975, most proof coins were encapsulated, thus the silver kept its perfect original lustre. I collect gold, nice thing about gold it does not tone, even coins retrieved from wrecks have that freshly minted look. However, I have seen silver Talers from the 16 th century that have no toning or patina. Seems incredible that someone back in 1560s Vienna would have acquired a freshly struck Taler and stored it in an airtight environment for 500 years.;) 8011566560b1e3710aebd9a173f1441d.jpg
     
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