In my humble opinion, if you have a raw toned coin and would like to have it accurately graded, then paying for the secure plus designation is essential. The coin sniffer hardware/software of PCGS will ensure that any question of authenticity of toning is erased. There will be no doubt. Either it will be encapsulated with a grade, or it will not be encapsulated. If you like toning, then be sure it is in a secure plus holder when you purchase it. If you want to encapsulate an old coin that you will eventually want to be able to stand behind as authentic tone, then pay for the extra service. If the coin (as toned) warrants a higher market price, then the additional cost of this service is minimal when you go to sell it. I have first hand experience with this. I purchased a collection of Morgan dollars and many of them were nicely toned. To be sure that the marketability of these toned coins would be secure, I purchased the additional service of Secure Plus. The results of the 70 coins were 100% acceptance. Now there is no question that the toning on these coins is authentic to anyone. I knew this was the case in advance of submission. There was no doubt on my end, but in order to be able to unquestionably convince the next coin steward of this authenticity, I decided that a 3rd party professional evaluation of surface characteristics as well as overall grade condition was key to not only this assurance, but also of its future marketability. So, when I sell it, the confidence level of paying a premium for the toning (which is an undeniable market fact) is not in question. The buyer and seller both know that the toning is authentic and the condition is guaranteed. This is a fantastic tool in the marketplace and empowers all levels of collectors and marketers of coins. No, I'm not a PCGS shill. I am a small dealer in Pennsylvania. Coins are my business. I only write this little blurb because of some other posts here on cointalk that I've recently read. I am an avid reader, but infrequent poster. I hope that I do not offend anyone by submitting my opinion. Take it for what you paid for it...
I enjoyed reading your thread. The thread doesn't need photos but I sure would like to see some of those "nicely toned" dollars. Post some photos if you can get a good shot of them.
Goto the PCGS certification verification page (http://www.pcgs.com/cert/) and start with coin number 24733524 and go up to 24733593. Secure Plus provides pictures of each coin graded, though there are a few that do not have pictures. The vast majority of them have pictures saved on the PCGS site
If you are saying that just because it gets slabbed by PCGS with secure plus, that the toning is natural, I completely disagree. Plenty of AT coins get slabbed by both PCGS and NGC, and on the other side of the fence, plenty of naturally toned coins are marked as "questionable" color. It's more about the market acceptability of the toning than it is the nature of it. I don't believe this is accurate either. From PCGS: "Commonly used organic materials applied to coins include plastic resins such as Bondo, putty, caulk, wax, lacquer, varnish, acrylics, paint, ink, acetone, glue, and citric acid." Those above mentioned 'doctoring' techniques aren't related to color at all. They are used for hiding imperfections on the surface of the coin, especially dings and scratches. Therefore inflating the coins value. In the eye of PCGS, toning doesn't increase value, the grade does. Of course we all know that in the marketplace, nice toning does command a premium.
Gemmy!! Pcgs Secure Plus :thumb: If someone was to add CAC it true waste of $. my 2c+ 1 of Market Harmony coins
I viewed your coins & they are nice original looking coins. :hail: The secure plus doesn't necessarily erase any possibility of AT but it is an additional indicator that the toning is natural. Thanks for the link.
I think this is a big pitfall for noobs and collectors getting into collecting toners, Its my personal opinion that toning is only worth a premium if it is an exceptional coin to begin with and the toning has not progressed enough to actually damage the surface of the coin. In other words i like my toners to have attractive toning patterns, exceptional surfaces and grade high.
A Machine will do as built to do.this 1 smells known Doctoring agents. G maybe right! U know me I am not a big Fan of :devil: John A money for nothing but a opinion or CAC
