To tone or not to tone.......

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Barney McRae, Feb 2, 2024.

  1. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    No, I don't mean artificially toning. I don't know how anyway.:p I'm admittedly a blazer blast laser beam white fanatic of silver coins, but it seems a lot of people pay a premium for a toned coin..........which in my opinion, isn't as attractive... to me anyway. I just picked up an 1898 P that looks dang near perfect under a 10X mag. Weight is correct, but the entire coin is a dark tone. It is so toned the chest feathers look flat until you angle the coin, and there they are in full blazing glory! I haven't hammered it with MS70 and, see above, I was tempted. I have a couple of blazer whites with attractive rim toning but this coin baffles me. I'll try an get a photo of it soon to post.

    But that is not my question. In spite of the collectability of toned coins, will heavy toning kill grades if it's legit? I have no idea.
     
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  3. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'll guess you are talking about a Morgan Dollar?
     
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  4. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    Yes sir. Sorry about not being clear. I only collect silver, 95% Morgans. And I'll do gold if inherited. :D
     
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  5. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    All Morgans are special. Low grade, high grade, I'll take them all.
     
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  6. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

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    Yar!!! :D
     
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  7. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    I inherited earlier Morgans and Peace Dollar coins. After the Mint started issuing the latest Morgans and Peace Dollar coins, I have collected quite a few. I especially like the reverse dollar coins.
     
  8. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    It’s really simple…

    white Morgan = boring, no premium
    some toning = nice, small premium
    rainbow toning = big premium
    dark/black toning = bad, undesirable

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    This is an NGC star coin with rainbow toning, most collectors will pay a premium.
     
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  9. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    Okay. Back to the coin I am trying to explain. I have another one that I call Purple Haze, but let's talk about this one. The entire coin is darkly toned. Not black out toned but not a speckled perch. I am not good at photos but trying to show the essence of the darkness and tone of the coin. It's hard to capture with a photo when I'm not good at this at all. Other than a milk spot, the coin is nearly flawless to my eye. The toning hides the details of the hair and also the chest feathers unless you rotate the coin in the light to see them. IMG_1549.JPG IMG_1550.JPG IMG_1551.JPG IMG_1552.JPG
     
  10. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    She's pretty and not a mark on her. Which makes me wonder........
     
  11. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    BRB. Going to weigh it.
     
  12. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    26.8 grams. Which is what all my other coins are weighing. I don't think my wife's scale does 100ths of a gram.
     
  13. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    Maybe it's AU +++ and just has environmental wear. Maybe weak strike and never saw circulation. I don't think it's fake, it looks real, it weighs right, the color is just weird. And in the right lighting, the reverse has a blue tint. I'm baffled.:D So and off to ANACS she will go.
     
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2024
  14. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Best of luck. Be sure to let us know the outcome. BTW, where did you procure this cutie?
     
  15. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    My thought cleaned or altered surface and retoned
     
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  16. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    It seems to be a genuine Morgan Dollar, but it won’t get a straight grade. It has the typical « cleaned and retoned » look of an improperly cleaned silver coin, the blueish tint and rather dull surface confirms this.
     
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  17. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    By "cleaned" you mean dipped in E-Zest or something similar? I was wondering about that, because I don't see they typical hair line scratches you see on most cleaned coins.
     
  18. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    My Morgans are only 90%. :(
     
  19. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    95% of my collections, not coin composition silver content. If that was sarcasm, I get it. :)
     
  20. Long Beard

    Long Beard Well-Known Member

    I'm thinking the same as Mainebill. An old cleaning that's retoned. Remember, cleaning was once a thing to do.
     
  21. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    My Morgans are only 90% of my collections. :)
     
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