Tiberius denarius upgrade?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Sallent, Dec 5, 2018.

  1. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Here's my current budget friendly Tiberius

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    And here's my new not so budget friendly Tiberius

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    What do you guys think? I personally think it's a sweet upgrade, but I'm biased as I own the coins, so hardly an impartial opinion. Feel free to comment and post anything you want.

    Now all I need to do is find a buyer interested in a budget friendly Tiberius so I can sell my old coin....but hey, one thing at a time. I've yet to even do my Gordian III 6 coin clearance sale yet, so it could be a while before budget Tiberius gets offered in the sales section.
     
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  3. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    That is a wonderful upgrade @Sallent. I only have one tribute penny of Tiberius but it is from a known hoard and that is why I bought it. @TIF also has a tribute penny from this hoard.

    Tiberius ‘Tribute Penny’.AD16-37. Silver denarius.
    17mm. 3.48g.
    RCV 1763 RIC 26
    bold head, clear Livia.
    Found Quidenham hoard, Norfolk, 2014. Recorded as Coin #22,

    NMS-480CEEunder the portable antiquities scheme.
    Purchased from Chris Rudd Numismatics July 23, 2018.

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  4. Plumbata

    Plumbata Well-Known Member

    Looks like a much higher grade piece, congrats! But don't go bending or dropping it, the crack above Livia's arm is no issue visually but doesn't need encouragement.
     
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  5. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Excellent, @Sallent ! I think any one of these coins have a classic, historic, and legendary beauty which transcend their surface condition.

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    I have come to own this wonderful coin thanks to the help of @John Anthony
     
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  6. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Great coin @Sallent and a nice upgrade. I still need a tribute penny.
     
  7. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    Great upgrade, and a rare variety with the inverted spear.
     
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  8. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Its only superficial, and doesn't go across the whole coin, so I'm not concerned about it...but yes, generally one should never drop any ancient silver coin as most of them will probably shatter or crack into several pieces upon impact with the ground. Scary, isn't it? But that's something we accept as ancient coin collectors, and take precautions.
     
  9. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    That's right, this is the variant with the inverted spear. From what I've read, less than 2% of the existing denarii are of this variant.

    I wouldn't quite call it scarce, but I'd say it's definitely not your average denarii of Tiberius and Livia.
     
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  10. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Tiberius 6.jpg
    TIBERIUS
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: TI CAESAR DIVI AVG AVGVSTVS, laureate head right
    REVERSE: PONTIF MAXIM, Livia, as Pax, holding long sceptre & olive branch, seated right on throne with ornate legs, single line below
    Lugdunum 14-37 AD
    3.75g, 19mm
    RIC 30, RSC 16a, BMC 48
     
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  11. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Was a cleaning job of mine so I feel a more personal attachment to it.

    Tiberius, Roman Empire
    AR denarius
    Obv: TI CAESAR DIVI AVG F AVGVSTVS, laureate head right
    Rev: PONTIF MAXIM, Livia (as Pax) seated right, holding long scepter in her right hand and olive branch in her left; plain chair legs
    Mint: Lugdunum
    Date: 14-37 AD
    Ref: RIC 26

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  12. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    I have several varieties of this type, this is my favorite portrait.
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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    The upgrade is definitely sharper and higher grade, and yes - sweet- but I like the toning and overall appearance (i.e., "character") of the pre-upgrade piece, too. That has a portrait I like.

    I'd be happy to have either one. The (hypothetical) question is how much more you had to cough up for the upgrade, and whether it will be worth it to you over the long run.

    I don't see why it wouldn't be. The new coin is pretty sharp- indeed, much sharper than either of the two examples I once owned, which were more along the lines of your first coin (but not as attractively toned).
     
  14. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Budget Tiberius was 1/3 the price of the upgrade. I'll be selling it at cost when I put it for sale. I just got to get the Gordian III sale out of the way. I decided I didn't need 18 Gordian III coins, so I'll be keeping 11 or 12 and making room and budget for other stuff by selling the rest.

    Was the upgrade worth it? To me yes, because the condition of the new one more closely matches the quality of the coins in my 12 Caesar's set, so the set looks more uniform now.
     
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  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I was wondering how many multiples were involved.

    A 3X price differential doesn't sound insane to me. Maybe bordering the budgetary pain threshold for me personally, when we're getting past the mid- three figure range and up towards the upper- three figures, as surely must have been the case here.

    But I think you made a good upgrade.
     
  16. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    The way I see it, better now than later. This is a coin with very high demand amongst collectors and non-collectors alike, and prices will only go up. If I waited 5 or 6 years to buy a coin like this, who knows if I'd be able to get one for under $1000? So its better to bite the bullet now and pay $650 for this one (which is extra special because it is an uncommon variety with the inverted spear) than pay $1000+ a few years from now. I remember 4 years ago you could find the archaic Athenian owl tets for $1000 for a very appealing high grade example. I wish I had bit the bullet then and bought. These days they are around $1,600.
     
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  17. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    I like them both Sallent, your first looks like an earlier issue going by his facial features. I would keep them both. I have one with a younger fuller face probably an earlier issue as well. 351.jpeg
     
  18. Johndakerftw

    Johndakerftw Mr. Rogers is My Hero

    Totally rockin upgrade, Sallent!:cool:

    Erin
     
  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Do you mean 'Classical'? Archaic tets are hard to find in 'very appealing high grade'. I would love to have one in 'pug ugly'.
    https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=349574 $22500
     
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  20. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Since it's Christmas season, and were're showing Tiberius, I found it necessary to discuss the matter related to Jesus saying: " Render to Caesar what is to Caesar, and to God ....". In fact the event occurred during Tiberius reign. I mean is it historically known what coin was given to Jesus by the Rabbis at that time ? Could it be other than of Tiberius ? Was it silver or bronze? So many times I asked myself those ( whatever adjective you may attribute) questions ??
     
  21. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Cool upgrade. I would have imagined the price of the new one over x3 that of the first one as it appears to me more than three times more appealing.

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