Here's my current budget friendly Tiberius And here's my new not so budget friendly Tiberius What do you guys think? I personally think it's a sweet upgrade, but I'm biased as I own the coins, so hardly an impartial opinion. Feel free to comment and post anything you want. Now all I need to do is find a buyer interested in a budget friendly Tiberius so I can sell my old coin....but hey, one thing at a time. I've yet to even do my Gordian III 6 coin clearance sale yet, so it could be a while before budget Tiberius gets offered in the sales section.
That is a wonderful upgrade @Sallent. I only have one tribute penny of Tiberius but it is from a known hoard and that is why I bought it. @TIF also has a tribute penny from this hoard. Tiberius ‘Tribute Penny’.AD16-37. Silver denarius. 17mm. 3.48g. RCV 1763 RIC 26 bold head, clear Livia. Found Quidenham hoard, Norfolk, 2014. Recorded as Coin #22, NMS-480CEEunder the portable antiquities scheme. Purchased from Chris Rudd Numismatics July 23, 2018.
Looks like a much higher grade piece, congrats! But don't go bending or dropping it, the crack above Livia's arm is no issue visually but doesn't need encouragement.
Excellent, @Sallent ! I think any one of these coins have a classic, historic, and legendary beauty which transcend their surface condition. I have come to own this wonderful coin thanks to the help of @John Anthony
Its only superficial, and doesn't go across the whole coin, so I'm not concerned about it...but yes, generally one should never drop any ancient silver coin as most of them will probably shatter or crack into several pieces upon impact with the ground. Scary, isn't it? But that's something we accept as ancient coin collectors, and take precautions.
That's right, this is the variant with the inverted spear. From what I've read, less than 2% of the existing denarii are of this variant. I wouldn't quite call it scarce, but I'd say it's definitely not your average denarii of Tiberius and Livia.
TIBERIUS AR Denarius OBVERSE: TI CAESAR DIVI AVG AVGVSTVS, laureate head right REVERSE: PONTIF MAXIM, Livia, as Pax, holding long sceptre & olive branch, seated right on throne with ornate legs, single line below Lugdunum 14-37 AD 3.75g, 19mm RIC 30, RSC 16a, BMC 48
Was a cleaning job of mine so I feel a more personal attachment to it. Tiberius, Roman Empire AR denarius Obv: TI CAESAR DIVI AVG F AVGVSTVS, laureate head right Rev: PONTIF MAXIM, Livia (as Pax) seated right, holding long scepter in her right hand and olive branch in her left; plain chair legs Mint: Lugdunum Date: 14-37 AD Ref: RIC 26
The upgrade is definitely sharper and higher grade, and yes - sweet- but I like the toning and overall appearance (i.e., "character") of the pre-upgrade piece, too. That has a portrait I like. I'd be happy to have either one. The (hypothetical) question is how much more you had to cough up for the upgrade, and whether it will be worth it to you over the long run. I don't see why it wouldn't be. The new coin is pretty sharp- indeed, much sharper than either of the two examples I once owned, which were more along the lines of your first coin (but not as attractively toned).
Budget Tiberius was 1/3 the price of the upgrade. I'll be selling it at cost when I put it for sale. I just got to get the Gordian III sale out of the way. I decided I didn't need 18 Gordian III coins, so I'll be keeping 11 or 12 and making room and budget for other stuff by selling the rest. Was the upgrade worth it? To me yes, because the condition of the new one more closely matches the quality of the coins in my 12 Caesar's set, so the set looks more uniform now.
I was wondering how many multiples were involved. A 3X price differential doesn't sound insane to me. Maybe bordering the budgetary pain threshold for me personally, when we're getting past the mid- three figure range and up towards the upper- three figures, as surely must have been the case here. But I think you made a good upgrade.
The way I see it, better now than later. This is a coin with very high demand amongst collectors and non-collectors alike, and prices will only go up. If I waited 5 or 6 years to buy a coin like this, who knows if I'd be able to get one for under $1000? So its better to bite the bullet now and pay $650 for this one (which is extra special because it is an uncommon variety with the inverted spear) than pay $1000+ a few years from now. I remember 4 years ago you could find the archaic Athenian owl tets for $1000 for a very appealing high grade example. I wish I had bit the bullet then and bought. These days they are around $1,600.
I like them both Sallent, your first looks like an earlier issue going by his facial features. I would keep them both. I have one with a younger fuller face probably an earlier issue as well.
Do you mean 'Classical'? Archaic tets are hard to find in 'very appealing high grade'. I would love to have one in 'pug ugly'. https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=349574 $22500
Since it's Christmas season, and were're showing Tiberius, I found it necessary to discuss the matter related to Jesus saying: " Render to Caesar what is to Caesar, and to God ....". In fact the event occurred during Tiberius reign. I mean is it historically known what coin was given to Jesus by the Rabbis at that time ? Could it be other than of Tiberius ? Was it silver or bronze? So many times I asked myself those ( whatever adjective you may attribute) questions ??
Cool upgrade. I would have imagined the price of the new one over x3 that of the first one as it appears to me more than three times more appealing. Q