Thoughts on this Lincoln 26-S Thank you for any and every comment!

26-S is notorious for soft strikes due to a slew of problems - red Book states that finding a well struck MS 26-S is the world series equivalent to hitting a world series gram slam.

The luster on this coin is in tact and plenty noticeable in hand equivalent to 63/4RB's all day long however the luster doesn't highlight and reflect back into the lens the way RB's typically do at that grade.

IMO no distracting hits what so ever. i think it is all of 64 considering the strike. At 65BN I don't know where the TPG's draw the line with factoring strike quality. Due to the PCGS price guide valuations, 63/500-65/2k) I'll surmise that it won't go 65 due to lack of strike, not near enough luster for 65.

The high point surfaces are very shiny however, I can not detect any hairline polishing. I believe this to be a soft planchet soft strike coin.

The bow tie is struck well enough and exhibits zero wear. Lincoln ear, hair and cheek do not exhibit any flatness, just an over all "mushiness".

I am having a hard time with this coin. Please expand it to full res and give me your thoughts. I have another set of photos I will post however at a glance they are the same.

What say ye? I have an offer on this coin and I have my ideas of what I think it is worth however I need to hear from the experts.





I am loosing half the image size between upload and host and link to here. Does anyone know if there are setting in Photobucket with their subscribed service to stop this? thansk!

 

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Thats a woody if you haven't seen one

 

yeah not as dramatic as some of the other copper that came out of San Fran but you can defiantly see close up which direction the alloy was rolled out.

 

It is not as dramatic because it is still a RB coin, and a nice one. If you don't end up purchasing it let me know who owns it because I will buy it. Nice piece!

 

While were at it...what do you think of my newest purchase? My avatar!

 

Start a new thread - post a pic. Love looking at copper all day long..

btw CU booted me again... I think this time it was because I said I think dealers dump their junk lincolns on HA to get rid of them based on my recent purchases .

 

It's not you or the bucket. The software here is reducing the size of the images. They will show up full size if you click on them a couple of times.

 

If the offer is for MS money I say take it and run. I would grade the coin AU-58. There is wear on the cheek and on the shoulder.

 

I think it could be MS, the semi-keys get a bit of a break at the graders, and it looks like toning on the cheek, not wear, just a bit of a weak strike.. My opinion.

 

Nice strike for a 26-S, but it is a woodie. From what I have seen, the TPG's just hammer them. Someone post one here that looked similar to yours and the TPG (NGC?) said it was a 45. If you are trying to decide between selling and, slabbing and then selling, I would sell it now.

 

naaaa, the image I am up loading to Photobucket is 2500x2500 - it appears it is being reduced there. I can't find where it says they resize, I swear I remember them larger....

ahhhhhh I found it... You have to pay for full size.


Okey dokey..... This should be awesome an awesome test of both a new lens and an upgrade in the photo hosting upgrade...

The first set of images are from a converted Nikon 35-70mm lens adapted and extended to fit my Canon - The second are from a 100mm Canon macro with lighting position to reflect the luster on the coin.

 

oh yeah !!!! Now we are talking!!!! Woooooooot!!!!

 

WRONG.. lol you get the gong. check out the second set of images above - make sure you click twice!

 

1) PLEASE use links instead of embedded images to post your pics. I'm screaming over having to scroll right and left! IT SUCKS Thanks for your future cooperation.

2) BadThad: MS-63BN

3) Maybe a 62 or AU-5X on a bad day at the TPG

4) A nice example of a tough coin! I'd be more impressed if it had that strike in RD or RB.

 

I've always wondered why some collectors use the tie? Please explain because I RARELY reference the tie when discussing wear because it's not a design high point. I've seen AG coins where the tie is easily seen and the rest of the design is mostly flattened.

For me as Lincoln collector there's 4 primary obverse areas to look for AU level wear:

1) Cheek
2) Jaw
3) Hair
4) Lapel

 

AU58 coin. Still very nice.

 

not only do I stand behind my original grade, but the better pics show carbon spots have been removed.

 

this coin is raw, isn't it? You never said it was in a PCGS slab, did you?

I think Doug mistakenly thought that the coin was slabbed by PCGS.

This coin will NOT IMHO grade MS at PCGS or NGC. If you paid MS money for it, then I am sorry but I think you made a mistake.

 

Help me out Doug, share some of that knowledge.

I see what might initially/ be interpreted as hairline scratching from a harsh cleaning, however those lines, flow through the crease and crevices indicative of what so many "woodies" do. I also don't see the metal flow lines that I see on coins with cartwheeling luster. (refer to some of my recently post pics) On this coin I attribute the lack of those "flow lines" that to soft or slow strike and the orientation of the wood grain - improper mix or impurities in the alloy.

So , presuming the AT hides what you are seeing as a harsh cleaning, what is it that looks AT to you? The color tone looks deep into the, it has a rich color. Although interesting enough, the luster of this coin does not reflect light back into the lens the way other coins do with similar amount of luster.

Sidebar question for the techies. Has anyone ever discussed measuring the amount of light a coin reflects? I would imagine in a controlled environment, that this would be relative easy to do with some type of light meter.

Thank you in advance for providing the supporting finer points of your observation.

Interesting. I using the IMG tags... which take you to the photobucket website. Is dragging the bars at the bottom and right side of your screen is really that big of a deal? I don't mind using a different type of link, however I want to keep the size of the image at the original size. Photobucket provides 4 options for links and has several others that are in the custom settings. Testing123... -Using the world icon above - is this what you are looking for?

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z242/papasteeze/Coins/fc0dccbf.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z242/papasteeze/Coins/5376df59.jpg

I really like this coin, because I have yet to see a 26-s that has less nicks and dings. Correct me if I am wrong, because of a lot of the copper that was used at San Francisco, Red examples that have stayed red just don't exist?

I am with you and I agree, I use the same points. I should have explained a bit more. I often look at the left edge of the bow tie where it meets the shadow of the tie on the lapel, when those 4 areas above are not clear. Not sure if Brenners intent was to create a shadow or if the bow tie of that era had 2 layers. Lately I have been taking an interest in how Brenner came up with the original sculpture. I can do a bit more work with that....

anyways..... on this coin, I think the bow tie has sharp(er) details since it is higher in relief on the die and fills with metal during the strike and that exhibits absolutely no wear in comparison with the softer details of the cheek, ear, and hair which are the lowest points in the die and last to get filled with metal during the strike.. Not sure if I am making sense with what I am seeing and trying to stay.

Foot note question. It takes 3 points on a surface to make a stable base. In a perfectly struck obverse. What are the 3 points that touch to form that base? Any topographical of the lincoln obverse? lol

actually... a laser scan that PCGS does should convert a coin to some type of digital data that could provide that? I dunno..