These unfortunately are getting better...

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  1. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Knowing me..... I probably would but somethings not, right??:confused:
     
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  4. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Okay, Jack:

    Tell us dummies, what is the pick up point?
     
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  5. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member

    I wouldn't bid on it. Not because I know anything about the coin, but because I only buy coins in reputable slabs. That way I don't have to develop the expertise to spot fakes ;)
     
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  6. LakeEffect

    LakeEffect Average Circulated

    I'll play (says the rank amateur who knows nothing about the series)...

    In the few sources I just looked at, I don't see any mention of a die break on the reverse around the denomination. Also, the space between the D and S in "United States" is weakly struck on genuine specimens.

    Am I in the ball park? Even close?
     
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  8. LakeEffect

    LakeEffect Average Circulated

    Poking around the internet for clues, I read part II of your article and told myself to look up part I (but didn't). What I get for being lazy. ;)

    Good stuff, as always.
     
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  9. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    It still has the fake "Chinese copper toning" on it, but the experts tell me I'm full of it.

    "Minor scratch on obverse." If only that were only problem with it. :(

    Here is a certified one I bought over 30 years ago. It is the scarce early die state. NGC graded it AU-55.

    1807 Half Cent All.jpg
     
  10. LakeEffect

    LakeEffect Average Circulated

    Are you referring to the resemblance to a chocolate necco wafer? Honest question, I'm really trying to learn to spot these things.
    chocolatenecco.jpg
     
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  11. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I am referring to the fake dusty brown and the flakey gray. I have never seen those colors on an original surface early copper coin. They don't even match up with what the coin doctors do to cleaned copper coins, which often more convincing.
     
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  12. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    It's decent to the mid-level or novice collector who doesn't know any better but it is still just your typical Chinese-made replica. I had similar results when I bought replicas in uncirculated condition in c. 2007. What I would do is apply copper darkener (it came as a green paste) and experiment with various grits in a rock tumbler. The results would be a similar color and texture to what appears in the first post.
     
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  13. LakeEffect

    LakeEffect Average Circulated

    Thanks, that was my impression.
     
  14. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Listing was removed...

    My responses from the seller to my messages: "I honestly don't think so I bought this coin from a seller with a lot of experience in these coins and my sales come with a refund for any reason and how sure are you to tell me that?
    thanks Mario".

    And then "hi thank you very much for the information I will try to get my money back but I think it will be very difficult but the worst thing was that I bought 5 of these coins from different years for 250 dollars this person sells these coins in Mercari and right now he has 3 for sale I have my claim and I have to wait to see what happens
    Thanks again
    Mario".

    Found the bad seller: https://www.mercari.com/u/397396597/?tracking_ref_id=m35030155005
     
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  15. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Looked at the seller's stuff; I bet the "vintage Schleich" smurf figurine is fake, too, although that's pretty far outside my wheelhouse.
     
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  16. LakeEffect

    LakeEffect Average Circulated

    Hmmm, "retired grandpa selling stuff for fun" is selling multiple early 19th century half cents for $49 each and no red flags went up?

    No disrespect, we can all be "had" by a good enough con man but if it seems too good to be true,...
     
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  17. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Picked this one up from "Grandpa"...

    1803 combo.jpg
     
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  18. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    I've got an 1809 Half Cent that I got from my father. I don't know how long he had it. He passed in 1996. I saw in the article that the counterfeit Half Cents range from 1800-1808. I don't have the means to take a picture right now.
     
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