The Official CoinTalk Grading Experiment 1

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by physics-fan3.14, Jul 28, 2019.

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What does the Washington grade?

  1. AU-58

  2. MS-60

  3. MS-61

  4. MS-62

  5. MS-63

  6. MS-64

  7. MS-65

  8. MS-66

  9. MS-67

  10. MS-68

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  1. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    How good is CoinTalk compared to the TPGs? Let's find out! Over the next several months, I'll be posting a Guess the Grade thread each week. I will be using photos from the Heritage auction archives (please do not cheat!).

    All you have to do is guess the grade! I will be attaching a poll to each thread. Please select the grade that you think best represents the coin. Also feel free to post your opinions about the coin, and it would be most educational if you could explain why you chose the grade you did.

    In order to give everyone time to respond, I'll reveal the grade Tuesday evening

    Around Christmas, I will tally up the results and see how we did. This thread is an offshoot of a recent thread where I compared CT grading to the TPG, seen here: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/how-good-is-cointalk-at-grading.343417/

    On to the coin!

    This week, we have a 1937D Washington quarter. Start us off with something easy?

    GTG 1 obv.jpg GTG 1 rev.jpg
     
    physics-fan3.14, Jul 28, 2019
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  3. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    I'll post my opinions about the coin after the poll closes so that I don't influence others' grading one way or another. Looking forward to seeing how this experiment plays out.
     
    messydesk, Jul 28, 2019
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  4. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    It seems generally very mark-free, but the muted luster and the hit in the prime focal area keep it down from superb gem territory. I guess PCGS called it a 66.

    My personal grade would be MS-65
     
    TypeCoin971793, Jul 28, 2019
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  5. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I grade it 64, and I think PCGS did too.
     
    ToughCOINS, Jul 28, 2019
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  6. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Mark on the cheek distracting. 64
     
    Mainebill, Jul 28, 2019
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'm a bit surprised by that. I say that because there are more than few experienced graders who would say that Washington quarters are among the toughest, if not the toughest, coins to grade. But, opinions do vary of course.
     
    GDJMSP, Jul 28, 2019
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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I know the concept of influence was mentioned in the other thread, and I do agree it happens, there's simply no way of getting around that. But one thing I have always found interesting was in making note of who and how often the influence factor seems apparent. Sometimes it's quite surprising, to me anyway, as to where that influence lies. It's also not all that uncommon for that influence to have the opposite effect of what one might think it would have. In other words, the influence factor can go either direction.

    As for me, well, I don't think it's any secret that I rarely comment with my opinion in GTG threads anymore. In fact I rarely do unless specifically asked to do so. And largely for the same reason you are John. But there's another reason as well. It's because I have been watching the way it goes, and changes, for a good number of years now.

    As am I. But I kinda think I already have a pretty good idea.
     
    GDJMSP, Jul 28, 2019
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  9. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I personally find them much easier than Walkers or Buffalos. Those are the hardest, in my opinion.
     
    physics-fan3.14, Jul 28, 2019
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  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I voted in the poll as to what I feel the TPG gave the coin.
    Is it possible to tell us the what style slab it is in?
    I will reserve my opinion of the coin after the results are in.
     
    Pickin and Grinin, Jul 28, 2019
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  11. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    Down a grade, 63 for me. Not sure when PCGS graded it, so I'm hoping it was back aways. The shaving nick on his cheek keeps it from going higher.

    Steve
     
    Stevearino, Jul 28, 2019
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  12. GenX Enthusiast

    GenX Enthusiast Forensic grammatician

    Wow, this coin has one hit on the front + tiny chatter on cheek and at bottom of the bust, with a smaller one on the back and very smooth, creamy surfaces. I went a little high at MS66 before I saw the cheek better. So I'd guess in the 65, 65+ range.
     
    GenX Enthusiast, Jul 28, 2019
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  13. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    64


    Nice fields, luster looks good presumably even with the HA photos, strike is decent but not great. Knock on the cheek limits to 64.
     
    CircCam, Jul 28, 2019
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  14. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Ditto at 64.

    Most difficult for me are Franklins, Buffalos and Washington’s. In that order.
     
    Randy Abercrombie, Jul 28, 2019
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  15. Sunflower_Coins

    Sunflower_Coins Importer and Exporter

    Washington needs to fire his barber.
     
    Sunflower_Coins, Jul 28, 2019
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  16. Robert91791

    Robert91791 Well-Known Member

    Ms-60
     
    Robert91791, Jul 28, 2019
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  17. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    I agree. One point off for that distracting facial issue..........
     
    green18, Jul 28, 2019
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  18. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    I said MS65. Although the cheek hit is a distraction, I think the coin is relatively clean so that someone felt it should be a 65.
     
    Kasia, Jul 28, 2019
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  19. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    MS 64

    I think the cheek hit is enough to keep it out of a 65 and the overall eye appeal is hurt by the dark toning (spots?) around the letters (this may signal originality but to me it's not an overall positive).
     
    ddddd, Jul 28, 2019
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  20. Garlicus

    Garlicus Debt is dumb, cash is king.

    If you want to reduce the ‘influence factor’, I would suggest that respondents give their assessment of the coin, but withhold their assigned grade within their comment, until after the actual grade has been posted.
     
    Garlicus, Jul 28, 2019
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  21. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    The TPG at least was able to see the coin in hand. I am at AU-58 based on a picture.
     
    gronnh20, Jul 28, 2019
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