The most hideous chop of them all

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  1. goldrealmoney79

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  3. Mountain Man

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    So obvious that it draws the eye to only see it, so is it there to maybe cover up for something?
     
  4. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Collecting Since 1948 Supporter

    If the coin is real and the chop mark is real, I see nothing hideous about it. It represents the true purpose and use of the coin.
     
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  5. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I see a chop mark, which by definition is a disfigurement of the original coin, albeit for legitimate reasons in commerce. I've seen many worse, in the sense that there were a lot more of them and they weren't as clear.
     
  6. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I have problems understanding the terminology.

    To me, this is a chop:
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    and this is a countermark:
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    and this is a counterstamp:
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  7. Medussa

    Medussa Silver

    ...not a Trade dollar expert, but my thoughts are...fake. As far as the chop goes, such a heavy chop would damage the reverse where it was countered. In addition, the coin itself looks fake. That's my two cents worth. Or should I say my 100 cents worth. :)
     
  8. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I am far from a Trade Dollar expert, but the difference at the circled location would make me suspect authenticity until I could confirm there was a variety difference possibility. At this point, I would check others to see which one is the odd ball.

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  9. potty dollar 1878

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  10. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I suppose it could be a ding that just looks like the perfect size to be a horizontal stroke in the design.
     
  11. derkerlegand

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  12. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    Just semantics. Penny vs. cent, tomato . . . well you get the picture. LOL
     
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  13. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    The coin has a number of problems in the details of the devices that lead me to believe it's a fake. Also, for a heavy blow in the center not to cause damage/flattening directly opposite on the rev strikes me as unusual...
     
  14. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    I also think not genuine. I'm no expert but I've never seen a chopmark with such a distinct square border. All I recall seeing are just a Chinese character, like the one @derkerlegand posted.
     
  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I think so. Look around the square edges of the chop and it appears to me that it was applied over a damage crater in the coin. The edges of the crater can be seen below and to the right of the cop and under it along the top and left edge of the chop.
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    I agree the lack of damage on the reverse is suspicious. and I also see some details of the coin itself that make me doubt its authenticity.
     
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