The brother war

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  1. Pavlos

    Pavlos You pick out the big men. I'll make them brave!

    The Seleukid Empire was in turmoil, Antiochos VIII his uncle Antiochos VII died fighting the Parthians. His father Demetrios II Nikator, who was captured by the Parthians, was released. He claimed the throne but was soon killed by the pretender Alexander II Zabinas. His mother, Cleopatra Thea, a powerful Seleukid queen, having married three Seleukid kings bearing children from all of them, made a civil war inevitable. First, she assassinated her oldest son Seleukos V in 125 BC, the rightful heir of the throne, as she was afraid he would find out that she was involved in the death of his father Demetrios II Nikator.

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    Territory of the Seleukid Empire somewhere around this period (124 BC), heavy loss of ground to the Parthians.

    Antiochos VIII then was the next heir and ruled with her mother Cleopatra Thea, killing the pretender Alexander Zabinas somewhere in 123 BC. Next, in 121 BC her mother wanted to assassinate him with poisoned wine, being suspicious, the king let her mother drink the wine first, and she died... Happy family. Antiochos VIII now is the sole ruler of the Seleukid Empire.

    However this is not the end, but just the beginning. A half-brother of Antiochos VIII, called Antiochos IX, who was the son of Antiochos VII with Cleopatra Thea, was sent by her mother to Kyzikos. After his mother died he ofcourse also saw himself as the rightful heir. In 114/3 BC he started heading back to Syria, and drove his brother Antiochos VIII out of the 'capital' Antioch. Antiochos VIII was compelled to seek refuge in the Pamphylian city of Aspendos.

    Antiochos IX reigned independently in the fall of the same year until the summer of 112 BC, where Antiochos VIII returned and deposed him again.
    Antiochos VIII ruled for another 2 years, losing it once more to his brother in the year 110/109 BC. He immediately returned the same year and held Antioch until he was assassinated by the general Herakleon in 97/6 BC.
    In this third reign, Antiochos VIII struck these coins in Antioch, most likely for military needs:
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    Antiochos VIII Epiphanes (Grypos) (121/0-97/6 B.C.) AR Tetradrachm. 3rd reign at Antioch, ca. 109-96 B.C.
    Obverse:
    Diademed head of Antiochos VIII to right.
    Reverse: BAΣIΛEΩΣ / ANTIOXOY - EΠIΦANOYΣ Zeus seated left, holding Nike in his right hand and scepter in his left; to left, monogram of PE above A; below throne, monogram; all within laurel wreath.
    Reference: SC 2309.2d.
    16.07g; 27mm

    After his death his place at Antioch was again taken up by Antiochos IX, who reigned there for only a year, until circa 96/95 B.C.
    In that 1 year, Antiochos IX struck these coins at Antioch:
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    Antiochos IX Eusebes Philopator (Kyzikenos), 114/3-95 BC. AR Tetradrachm. 3rd reign at Antioch, ca. 96-95 B.C.
    Obverse:
    Diademed head of Antiochos IX to right.
    Reverse: BAΣIΛEΩΣ / ANTIOXOY - ΦΙΛΟΠATOPOΣ Zeus seated left, holding Nike in his right hand and long scepter in his left; to outer left and below throne, monograms; all within laurel wreath.
    Reference: SC 2369.1a.
    16.17g; 28mm

    He was then killed by his nephew, the son of Antiochos VIII, who wanted to avenge his father. This is also only just the beginning, a whole civil war starts after this, involving all of Antiochos IX and Antiochos VIII their sons: Antiochos X, Antiochos XI, Antiochos XII, Demetrios III, Seleukos VI and Philip I.

    I am glad to have these two new tetradrachms, there seems some kind of new hoard is discovered as they are flooding the market together with Philip I and Antiochos X tetradrachms.

    Please share your relevant coins!
     
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  3. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Beautifull tets , congrats Pavlos

    relevant tets:

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  4. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i'm tellin' ya....those Antiochuss'..they do it everytime! >< :D(the family that rules together duels together)
     
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  5. happy_collector

    happy_collector Well-Known Member

    Great writeup on the turbulent Seleukid history, @Pavlos.
    Nice coin additions also!
     
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  6. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    Interesting Antiochos IX Pavlos. Actually at one time this issue of Antiochos IX was reasonably scarce. That was before a large number of these coins hit the market in the last two Leu sales. In fact I was quite shocked at how many of these coins were being offered at one time. I got mine in 2017 from a CNG E Auction misidentified as an Antiochos X. However this is, until recently the more common image of Antiochos IX
    Antiochos IX Ar tetradrachm Antioch 113-112 BC Obv Head right diademed wearing a slight beard Rv, Athena standing left holding Nike. SC 2363a This coin illustrated HGC 1228i This coin illustrated. 16.71 grms 28 mm photo by W. Hansen SkantiochosVIIII-1.jpeg This coin I purchased in 2003 long before either book was published.
     
  7. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Great write up on a prelude to a bloodbath with some stunning:wideyed::woot:tets along the way!
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    Cleopatra Thea and Antiochos VIII Epiphanes
    125-121 BCE Ake-Ptolemaïs mint, Dated S.E. 188 (125/4 B.C.) Jugate heads of the Dioscuri right, star above each / ΒΑΣΙΛΙΣΣΗΣ ΚΛΕΟΠΑΤΠΑΣ KAI ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΑΝΤΙΟΧΟΥ, cornucopia. SC -; SNG Spaer -; Kadman 17. Very Rare.


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    Antiochos IX
    114/3-95 BCE Æ Damascus mint, or in Phoenicia, year 202 (111/0 BC). Winged bust of Eros r. R/ Nike advancing l., holding wreath; date to l. SC 2388.2; HGC 9
     
  8. Carl Wilmont

    Carl Wilmont Well-Known Member

    Very nice tetradrachms and article with map, @Pavlos!

    Here's a bronze of Antiochus VIII with an eagle reverse:

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    Seleukid Kingdom. Antiochos VIII Epiphanes (Grypos), (121-96 BC).
    AE (19 mm. 5.88 g, 12h).
    Antioch on the Orontes mint. Dated year 192 = 121-120 BC.
    Diademed and radiate head right. / [ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ] ΑΝΤΙΟΧΟΥ ΕΠΙΦ[ΑΝΟΥΣ], eagle standing left with scepter over right shoulder, IE in outer left field, BP(retrograde)P (date) and [ivy leaf] in exergue.
    SC 2300.1e; HGC 9, 1212; DCA 279.
     
  9. Pavlos

    Pavlos You pick out the big men. I'll make them brave!

    Thanks @Andres2! Nice tetradrachms from Demetrios II and Antiochos VII!

    In many empires, the decline was almost always due to internal structural problems. When resources are spend to fight each other, an enemy gladly takes profit out of that, in this case the Roman and Parthian empires.

    Thank you @happy_collector!

    First of all, a wonderful tetradrachm you got there!
    Indeed, these two coins are from Leu as well, some kind of hoard most have been discovered, tons of Antiochos VIII, Antiochos IX, Demetrios III and Philip I tetradrachms were recently sold.
    The Antiochos IX type I got from his 3rd reign is actually quite rare, or better said it was quite rare. I barely saw any examples for sale until the last Leu auction, I gladly toke profit of it.
    A quick search: Before the last Leu auction, only 23 examples were sold of that type the past ~10 years. In 1 auction almost 50 examples were sold. Indeed a shock.

    Thank you @Ryro! I really like your coin with the Jugate heads.

    Thanks, a nice and clear example you got there from Antiochos VIII!
     
  10. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Nice examples!

    Quite a number of Tyrian tetradrachms have been listed on eBay over the past year or so, comprised of Antiochus VII Sidetes and Demetrius II.

    As a general rule these coins are not as nicely struck as those produced at Antioch and they tend to be somewhat crude. They were also produced at the Tyrian weight standard, which approximates shekel weight.

    This is a tetradrachm of Antiochus VII Sidetes, father of Antiochus IX Eusebes Cyzicenus.

    Seleucid Empire, 130-129 BCE
    Tetradrachm
    Antiochus VII Sidetes (138–129 BCE)
    Tyre Mint
    OBVERSE: Bust of Antiochus VII.
    REVERSE: Eagle on prow, left: club; Greek: BAΣIΛEΩΣ - ANTIOXOY, ΓΠP ([coin of] king Antiochus, dated SE 183).
    Some die rust and flaws on the reverse to lower right of eagle.
    Good VF
    SC 2109.11b

    14.0 grams

    D-Camera Seleucid Empire, Antiochus VIII Sidetes  130-29BC Tyre 14.0g SC 2109.11b eBay 7-20-21.jpg
     
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  11. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    Instead of showing the same AR here are some AE.
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    Cleopatra/Antiochos VIII
    Mint: Antioch
    Year 190, 123/122 BC
    Obvs: Radiate diademed head of Antiochus VIII right, dotted border.
    Revs: BAΣΙΛΙΣΣHΣ KΛEoΠATPAΣ KAI BAΣIΛEΩΣ ANTIOXOY, owl standing facing on fallen amphora. qp and star in ex
    AE 19mm, 5.7g
    Ref: SNG Isr 2445; SC 2263.2h; HGC 9, 1189(S)

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    Antiochus IX
    Unknown mint 122 in Phoenicia, Northern Syria, or Coele
    Denomination D
    114 to 95 BC
    Obvs: Head of Athena right in crested helmet, fillet border.
    Revs: BAΣIΛEΩΣ ANTIOXOY ΦIΛOΠATOPOΣ, prow right.
    AE 14x15mm, 1.92g
    Ref: SC 2378.1; HGC 9, 1262(R2)

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    Antiochus X
    Antioch on the Orontes
    94 BC
    Obvs: Diademed and bearded head of Antiochus right.
    Revs: BAΣIΛEΩΣ ANTIOXOV EVΣEBOYΣ ΦIΛOΠATOPOΣ, Nike advancing left holding wreath.
    AE 15x17mm, 4.86g
    Ref: SC 2433; HGC 9, 1293(R2-3)

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    Demetrios III
    Mint: Damascus
    Year 217, 96 to 95 BC
    Obvs: Demetrios III right diademed radiate and bearded.
    Revs: BA⊂IΛEΩ⊂ ΔHMHTPIOV ΘEOV ΦIΛOΠATOPO⊂ ⊂ΩTHPO⊂, Nike holding wreath and palm within dotted border. Year Iǀϵ below, Δǀ above N outer left.
    AE 19x20mm, 5.97g
    SC 2454.4; HGC 9, 1309(C-S)

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    Seleucus VI
    95 to 94 BC
    Mint: Antioch
    Obvs: Diademed and beardless right.
    Revs: BAΣIΛEΩΣ ΣEΛEVKOV EΠIΦANOVE NIKATOPOΣ, Apollo resting elbow on column and testing arrow. Branch in exergue
    AE 19mm, 7.91g
    SC 2425.2a; HGC 9, 1284(R2)

    Tetradrachms of Antiochus X were hard to come by more than 5 years ago, now I see at least one a month on average. A lot seem to come from the same source especially the coins of Philip.

    No such coin exists for Epiphanes, those are autonomous.
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  12. Pavlos

    Pavlos You pick out the big men. I'll make them brave!

    Thank you @robinjojo and a nice coin! Indeed, a lot of these Tyrian tetradrachms are being sold on Ebay from Israel.

    There do are some artistic artists at Tyre though!
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    Alexander I (Balas). 152/1-145 BC. AR Tetradrachm. Tyre mint. Dated SE 167 (146/5 BC).
    Obverse:
    Diademed and draped bust of Alexander Balas right.
    Reverse: BAΣIΛEΩΣ AΛEΞANΔPOY (“of King Alexander”). Eagle standing left on prow of galley, palm-branch over right shoulder; club surmounted by monogram to left, ΙΞΡ (date) and monogram to right.
    Reference: SNG Spaer 1545-1546; Newell, Tyre 79; Houghton 749.
    13.73g (Phoenician standard)

    Great selection of bronze coins David, thanks for sharing. That Seleukos VI is great, I do not see them very often.
     
  13. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Excellent write-up and coins.
    I have an Antiochos VIII to show, similar to one presented by @David@PCC . I find this coin very pleasant, especially the reverse.
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    SELEUKID KINGS of SYRIA. Cleopatra Thea & Antiochos VIII. (126/5-121/0 BC) AE20 Antioch, Dated SE 190 = 123/2
    Radiate and diademed head of Antiochos VIII right
    Rev: Owl standing right on fallen amphora, head facing; IE to inner right; below, PP (date, first P retrograde) and palm.

    Legend: BAΣΙΛIΣΣHΣ KΛEOΠATPAΣ KAI BAΣΙΛΕΩΣ ANTIOXOY
    SC 2263.2f.
    6,66 g, 20mm
     
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  14. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Pavlos, Excellent article with two handsome coins :happy:! I think it's the nature of brothers who are close in age to compete & battle with each other, with restraint of course :smuggrin:. Having had a twin brother I know this first hand :rolleyes:. Henry & I used to fight often while growing-up over the most stupid things, physically trying to hurt each other :eek:. This carried over into early adulthood :rage:. Keeping a far distance from each other was the solution :D. The Romans had their fair share of "battling brothers" too, the most famous being Caracalla & Geta.
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    Carrhae-Mesopotamia, Caracalla, AD 215-217. Billon Tetradrachm: 27 mm, 14.72 gm. Prieur 820.

    Geta, MA 719, 14.45 gm (2).jpg
    Antioch-Syria, Geta, AD 209-211. Billon Tetradrachm: 27 mm, 14,44 gm, McAlee 719.

     
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