THE BOOKS ON KARL BECKER BY SIR GEORGE F HILL..I &II

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  1. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    just got these in and will educate meself more on this famous forger...these are actually reproduction copies of the originals of 1924, but i got them for about $50.00 and that's kool wid me :D..

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  3. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    ominus, Congrats on scoring reprints of these important reference books by Hill :happy:. Sometime next year I'll try & get copies of these books through an inter-library loan because I've always wanted to read them ;). Carl Wilhelm Becker, 1722-1830, was the greatest forger in the history of numismatics :p. His forgeries & phantasies fooled museum curators & many "experts" for decades :D. Pictured below is a Becker forgery in my collection that would fool many dealers & collectors today :smuggrin:.

    Hill 128, obv.JPG Hill 128, rev..JPG
    Pictured below for comparison is a genuine example of this coin type.

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    The coin pictured below is the most expensive Becker forgery, to my knowledge, ever sold at auction. With a $200.00 estimated the coin sold for $2,875.00 :jawdrop:!

    CNG 419, 4190606 image.jpg
    GREEK, Sicily-Naxos, circa 430-415 BC. AR Tetradrachm: 13.28 gm, 24 mm, 12 h. Obverse: Dionysos wearing a tainia decorated with an ivy branch. Reverse: Silenos (the drinking buddy of Dionysos) holding up a kantharos. In the fields are ivy & bunches of grapes. CNG 419, lot 606.
     
  4. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    thanks Al..yup, he was the best(and best known) at that art..and his coins are very collectable(but 2875?!?..big wow!)..i long wanted one just from what i heard about him since about the time i started collecting..i got these two denarii of Aemillian recently from Teutoburger MA...Munzhandlung in Germany had sold them back in '84 and they sent me a download of that catalogue showing the coins, which is what Teutoburger had said..and i reckon that's good enough for me..i bought these Hill copies thru abe-books...i highly recommend them Becker Forgeries.JPG IMG_0736.JPG IMG_0737.JPG
     
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  5. Kavax

    Kavax Well-Known Member

    just FYI , this coin is badly described as "Hill Becker 21" by CNG, it is in fact an electrotype of the BMC 119 coin :

    Naxos BMC.JPG

    A BMC electrotype and a "real Becker" don't have the same value and in a sense, the buyer has been fooled by the CNG description...

    The "know the coin or know the dealer" adage holds for forgeries as well :D

    My Becker (Hill #13), an imitation of a Rhegion Tetradrachm

    Becker 13 Rhegion.JPG

    a genuine prototype :

    Becker 13 Rhegion Proto.JPG
     
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  6. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    I'm surprised CNG was fooled on that one :jawdrop:! Electrotypes are pretty easy to spot, like the coin pictured below. Notice the edge seam.
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  7. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Those are nice looking examples :D. Do you know the weight o_O?
    Your Rhegion fake is a nice one :happy:. Do you know the weight o_O? I'm amazed at how versatile Becker was.
     
  8. Kavax

    Kavax Well-Known Member

    Well, i have some electrotypes with the edge seam very well hidden...
    The Rhegion tetradrachm weighs 14.5g way under the theoretical weight of 17.4g
     
  9. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    i do not...i didn't weigh them...but that's an idea...:D
     
  10. Ignoramus Maximus

    Ignoramus Maximus Nomen non est omen.

    Nice books. I've come across Becker's work in auction listings, but I didn't know there were books on him. And in a way fitting that the books are reproductions and not originals. I like to think Becker himself would have appreciated the irony...
     
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  11. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    haha!..we are on the same wave-length IM...i had the same thoughts..:D
     
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